QotW: When is it okay to stance?

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Stance. It’s what all the youngin’s are into these days. Sometimes it looks cool; sometimes it’s downright painful to witness.

When is it okay to stance?

Yes, we know it’s popular. We also know it’s even more popular to hate on it. It’s been a style in Japan for ages, but it’s different there where roads are glass smooth. Here it’s a slow death sentence for your oil pan/fenders/spine/the entire car. Perhaps it’s time to issue the Three Laws of Stance, which decrees that if you must stance, stance something that is 1.) not rare, 2.) was not mint to begin with, and 3.) has no performance value whatsoever. Got a second-gen Mazda 6? Go nuts! Any Toyota/Honda/Infiniti made in the last 10 years? Here, I’ll grab a bat and help you roll. An RX-3, little-old-lady-owned Cressida, or Honda S2000? Sorry, get off my lawn.

What say you, dear reader? As always, the most entertaining comment by next Monday will receive a prize. Scroll down to see the winner of last week’s QotW, “What’s the most under-appreciated JNC?” 

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The winner this week is CherryX1R, who, not surprisingly, made an impassioned case for the Datsun Cherry.

the Datsun F10 is my vote and not just because it’s stated as such in the newest “Kidney Anyone” post. I am one of the few weirdo’s who doesn’t think that car is ugly. I love the F10 because of it’s funkiness, the hatchback especially. those taillights slap you right in the face and say “HEY, LOOK AT ME, ARE YOU LOOKIN AT ME, yeah I’m big and weird and i’m a geometrical shape which I don’t remember the name of right now, but i’m “DIFFERENT” from the rest of the taillight pack!!! so….yeah weird awesomeness right here. the first time I saw one in a old Datsun brochure I could not stop looking at the funkiness and made it a goal to reach to own a hatch F10 one day. I do not have one as of yet but what I do have is a couple of old brochures with the F10 in them and one of those funky in your face taillights, the headlight buckets share that same shape and if I recall the dashboard was pretty funky as well. and it just so happens that it’s the second gen version of my favorite Japanese car of all time, the Nissan Cherry X1R, so that’s even more Icing on the cake. I just find it a fascinating little car.

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48 Responses to QotW: When is it okay to stance?

  1. Mike McCarthy said:

    it’s painful to watch these cars be destroyed…. reminds me of the fast/furious craze. so many eclipses and civics with street glows and CAI hydro locked motors. now it’s miatas and 240s with rolled fenders and busted oil pans. thanks generation yolo

    • Alejandro said:

      “Generation yolo” hahahahhaha 5/5.

    • Dandy said:

      Exactly. The trend of “ride ’em into the ground because it’s fun and cool” overstepped its mark when JNCs started getting into the mix. You’re fortunate enough to own a rare car in the first place, be it a Cressida or late ’70s Corolla, so why not try to take care of it? Once these cars are gone, they’re gone. Let’s try to keep these cars from only being available in museums in the near future. Leave some behind for the next generations!

    • Randy said:

      I got through about 4 of the 6 minutes of the video. Frickin’ stupid – to make your car useless. Can’t get into the parking lot at the 7-11.

      Until I saw the video, and how extreme they go with this, I was going to say do whatever, so long as it’s reversible. Obviously I’ve changed my mind.

      Spend $20-grand on the polished this, billet that, and a gorgeous paint job to scrape and crack the panels on a speed bump… The phrase “more money than brains,” comes to mind.

      I’m still cool with the under-car lighting though; depending on how it’s done.

    • dickie said:

      “destroyed?” maybe, but it seems like stanced cars last longer and sustain less damage than, say, a 240sx built to drift or a spec miata or a rally impreza. you going to tell me that those cars

      there are plenty of miatas out there, to pick one of the more recent and prevalent bandwagon platforms, that have been built for one purpose, stripped and rebuilt to standard hellastancebro spec and then sold and restored. so they’re not really dead, just in need of some resuscitation.

      • dickie said:

        … sorry, lost the last sentence in the first paragraph got cut off.

        i was going to ask if you felt those cars were destroyed in vain.

      • Ben Hsu said:

        You bring up an interesting conundrum. No, I wouldn’t say most race cars are destroyed in vain. I’d have to think more to articulate a why, but right off the cuff I’d say that motorsport is a nobler death.

        I’ve seen some of the most beautiful stanced cars in LA, looking great when parked. Then the moment they take off it’s a symphony of grinding metal.

        And besides, the Three Laws I outlined in a sleepless stupor last night don’t apply — or rather didn’t apply to 240SXes, Miatas and Imprezas. Common cars are totally okay. But at some point, the common cars will become uncommon cars, and that’s when preservation should kick in.

        • Randy said:

          I’m in with Ben – at a certain point, they become rare, which doesn’t help those who appreciate the cars for what they are. Consider the kidney cars that’ve been coming up… It may be due to some mythical status, but I think in the cases of a number of them (Starlet, that Datsun in Philly a few months back, etc.), it’s more due to the fact that the clean ones are disappearing, and they’re at least recognized as a piece of industrial and cultural history.

          Way back when, I could’ve picked up a tan ’64 Impala 2-dHT for about 2-3 grand. Now that the lowriders have been hogging them up, I doubt I could get it for less than $10K.

          I’m thinking that the biggest problem these cars face is that nobody’s making new cars that have any real draw to them, at a price their demographic can afford.

          You’d think the Scion tC would fill in there; Civic or Accord 2-dr, etc. Maybe it’s the lack of RWD?

          How about hellaflush an Accord Crosstour? 300hp, AWD, and a color-changing paint job! 🙂

          (And, no, I don’t do drugs! “Well, maybe you should!” 🙂 )

  2. Alejandro said:

    I totally agree with the 3 rules!!!. I study car design, so i’m quite a bit “mind-closed” at the hour of modifying any kind of vehicle… I mean, i’ts easier to tune with good taste a motorcycle, like any of the well trendy known cafe racers or trackers. Just follow the recipe and you got it, amirite? As always Japan comes with his extreme way to say “hey i’m here” multiplied by 20. In car tune, they found a beautiful way to do it. I will always have my heart divided about Japanese cars customization – or not. I would LOVE to have a 86’ Cressida, and I couldn’t dare to change a single thing…But I saw some low-ridered Cressidas with 16” rims that knocked the door of my lower instincts. I take a good JNC as my personal piece of Japanese ground, and their very way of thinking, Sort of an “embassy” experience, where you put your foot in another country. It’s a real pity to destroy something so well crafted & designed as an 88′ Prelude just to be the block’s badass. It’s true that some Nippon cars are at the very edge of stance or tune on their pure state. Cars like the 94′ Silvia’s are almost yelling at you for a good pair of classic Enkei rims and spoiler lips. The Isuzu Bellet (I love you so much) with his black markings and watanabe’s is another good example of mini badass pure tune, not? Nippon stance/tune is also something that if you take out from the context scenario of Japanese streets, loose some points. Like when you put Tom Cruise with a Kimono and a katana, it doesn’t look like a samurai at all. Maybe I’m losing my point here…a lowered stanced JDM on those hill roads, with the big beautiful concrete defense at a side, god-like asphalt and forests surrounding is something that happens on Japan. There you can really see the folkloric idea, as an urban – young expression of coolness, like the Lolita fashion (certainly I don’t understand the coolness of the bike on the roof at all). Of course, if you dare to touch a 88’ Supra, god have mercy of your soul, Japanese or not. Criteria and respect is what these young punks need to learn, Grand Torino- Clint Eastwood death stare to all of them.

  3. Robin said:

    Hi All,

    The dreaded stance topic … goes hand in hand with what the youth of today “follow” and “LIKE”. I am in my late twenties and still consider myself to be in touch with trends and styles, though I was brought up in an era where we were taught that should we do something do it properly. With that said, I am not implying that “stancing” a vehicle is wrong… I am saying that it could be downright dangerous (height / scraping / shoddy modifications ) .

    However now with air suspension or “bags” becoming popular it makes stance a little bit more acceptable or okay (to me) and I hope more go this route so they can raise their cars when using a public road where many other road-users won’t be placed in harm’s way due to guy’s extremely low vehicles, that continue to bounce for a kilometer after hitting a little bump in the road .

    Back to my original topic regarding doing things properly, we never had book’s for faces and gram’s that are instant for us to post things to get recognition, and therefore we did things purely for ourselves and not for others to LIKE. This made us do things at our own leisure and if it did not work we spend more time making it work, and not rush things in order to “go viral” and achieve internet fame for being a pioneer and getting credit for attempting things first. it seems this is the most important part about tuning currently… how many followers you can get. Sadly this is the way most thing’s are going regarding trends… unfortunately fad’s tend to come and go very quick, just like neon underglow, huge wing’s on just about any car and f&f style bodykits

    So when is it okay to stance:

    1: if not rare, sure go ahead and stance but please research and do it using the correct parts and do not hack half the chassis just so you can be lowest. If it is rare and you really want to be different (different is not always good) go ahead and stance but try doing modifications that can be undone as to when this fad dies down you can easily move onto the next.

    2: If not mint to begin with, then that means some people are going to not care and just cut here and cut there because it’s just another car they picked up for next to nothing so no attachment whatsoever. I am aware I could be entirely wrong with this point and even my whole post but I am sure we have seen this happening.

    3: Sadly performance or non performance, most cars can reach up to 120 km/h… at this speed if a bag pops (happens and recently with more people fitting bags means we hear about this more so now) it could end bad. What about those who are using static suspension, many don’t care about shortening shocks/struts and just want it low/scraping (again to get LIKES) … this could mean no road holding .

    So I am not against nor for stance, but when it endangers other road users including mine and my family’s then we have to ask , where do we draw the line ? How many LIKES before we are content?

    I apologize in advance for my post being more of a rant than anything else…

    • Ben Hsu said:

      No apology necessary, this was all very well said….

    • Alejandro said:

      Not a rant at all ! great words. Maybe these guys just have to find a middle point… It’s preposterous to see how they change the angle of toe arbitrary. Those cars are wasted . Also, it’s quite a bit catastrofic to spoil good JDM’s like that, you guarantee a nightmare to the next owner (if it’s going to be one ). They’re just destroying a great heritage of Japanese cars and excluding a next gen of JNC lovers to enjoy them.
      Rat road’s are sometimes really fun, and they’re almost recycled cars, all rusty and about to become a part of a tree or a cat toilet. There’s a clip on Petrolicious about two Datsun’s 240z. The rusty rat road 240z it’s a good example of what you can modify an how. I know, it’s another generation and style. A Cb7 Accord does not look cool all rusty, or maybe it does. My point is to not destroy “in good shape”car Heritage.

  4. Serg said:

    Good call on the Cherry – a bit late but I forgot to nominate the S10 Silvia. Purely because nobody appreciates a rear blind spot like an S10 owner ;P

    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f5/19/f6/f519f66c17280ec27fc6295ed3557961.jpg

    When is it OK to stance? I do like the Three Laws concept, but I think we’re all just a bit fed up in general of cars being turned into “Who can spend the most coin in the most exorbitant way”.

    My respect / appreciation for it really only extends to knowledge of the immediate culture it’s in reference to. Anyone around my age (and like me so un-japanese I can’t be called gaijin because I don’t know any Japanese people and have never been in Japan…) might have come to the stance party late and by a different road to those people who learned what bosozuku meant before they learned about static camber. That being so, we recognize some reference to the auto styling that we’ve grown up with in the camber and track modifications, but then at the extreme we can’t really see the point because the only point we know is that which we identify with; a history of domestic muscle and euro supercars, where camber has no place on the drag strip and the guards are there to keep the wheels out of the airstream.

    I think the value of the style isn’t determined by popular opinion of what you should and should not do to which cars from which era, but more the sheer passion, craftsmanship and childlike freedom displayed to be extraordinary amongst the above ordinary of the street culture. I’ve said it before – I salute the man who builds the car he imagined as a child despite it having 5 wheels and an aquarium. Imagine it as Hot Rod culture for one of the most unique nations on earth, where it wasn’t always possible to find inspiration in fame and history due to the socio economic and cultural landscape. Hot Rods chop the roofline to below practical heights – a nod to the early street dragsters in their search for aerodynamics without the engineering wonders of wind tunnels and CAD – things that they grew up admiring and aspiring to and were told that they couldn’t by “The Man”. Now, “The Man” says you can’t have 7 degrees camber on a street car or a 2 meter fibreglass spoiler, even though you think it’s freakin’ amazing. He doesn’t want you to like what you like or do what you do – so who you gonna call? The all-female cast of Ghostbusters is not really the right answer but I think once you hear the theme song in a cinema you’ll forget what the question was.

    Yes, stance has had a divergence from boso style, domestically and abroad, but perhaps that’s because it’s the most accessible aesthetic. Having grown up with camber for circuit and overwidth tires on stock rims for drag, that aggressive smoothness that comes from a well stanced car, and yes, sometimes it’s too much for the car and detracts from the build itself, but that form vs function battle is just us aspiring to what they said we couldn’t do or be. I think there’s a beautiful honesty in doing something you like, knowing other people won’t appreciate it, and doing it anyway because popular opinion only holds sway while it has numbers; go against the grain and you break the pattern, break the pattern and people will start drawing for themselves.

    Somebody once asked Joss Whedon why he always wrote strong female protagonists. He answered, “Because you’re still asking me that question.”

    So, when is it ok to stance? As long as people feel the need to ask that question.

    • Serg said:

      I should probably add I wouldn’t go poke and stretch on my Coronas but I ran an S13 with 10″ wide SSR SP1s for years and loved the look of 2-3 deg negative 🙂

    • Randy said:

      Since it’s probably almost exclusively males doing this – car stuff always has been – just a thought about where you said: “Who can spend the most coin in the most exorbitant way”.

      What’s gonna get more chicks? A chopped up old car that you’ve dumped $30K into and can’t get into McDonald’s parking lot, or a 5-year-old black Lexus LS with simple gangster (not “gangsta”) wheels?

  5. I’ll chime in on my list of JNCs permitted for stance to add to The 3 Rules of Stance:
    -Any Subaru except EA82 RX Coupe
    -Toyota Camrys
    -Mazdas with pistons
    -Starions (most are pretty well beat)

    Can’t name many other cars.

    The thing is, Stance is part of Shakotan/Zokusha/Bosozoku builds. It is almost impossible to build cars along those styles without at least moderate stancing.

    That being said, stance is one thing, my issue is when people take it too far (like any trend) and try to fit some 17×9.5 wheels with a -55 offset into the wheel well of a S12 Turbo or something.

  6. Steve said:

    ROTFLMAO!!!!!

    So now they have Driveway Scrabbling Shows?????? People actually stand around watching cars go up and down driveways and rate how cool the “technique” was?????

    Only one word comes to mind: “BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHH!”

    Oh, and please add/apply those rules to drifting as well. It is so painful to watch JNCs get crashed and bashed for entertainment. I remember stumbling upon a drift event a few years back. I couldn’t believe and almost cried seeing all the S13/S14, AE86, Z-cars, RXs, 510s that were in such ratty condition.

    • ish said:

      The problem with your drifting thought is those are all the best cars to drift.With out those cars there is no drifting. Also many of those cars are saved from the junkyard just for there driftablity I know ive saved a few S13’s from the crusher myself.

  7. Bart said:

    Stance is a noun and it annoys me when it is used as a verb. That’s all I can say about it! To me, stance is a 3″ lift. 🙂

  8. Kevin said:

    In my opinion, the biggest problem with the “Stance Culture” is that it’s been responsible for stagnating the custom car culture here (US). I remember back in 2012 when I first saw people slamming their rides on blogs and I thought it was awesome! I was also still in high school, and it’s been 3 years. People still think that having a ridiculously low and cambered ride on ridiculously expensive wheels is the only way to have a cool car? Really? Can we please move onto something different? It’s time to do something more innovative to your rides. Slamming your car when it’s paying homage to the bosozoku is completely acceptable to me, some retro rides do look great lowered. But when the floor pans start scraping gravel in the road, you’re doing something wrong. Any excess in any area of a build is a turn off, and the stance world is based on excess. Finding a balance between form and function is where I see the beauty of building custom cars. If you’re too into one particular area of a build, you’re probably going to have a boring car.

    • Steve said:

      “Any excess in any area of a build is a turn off, and the stance world is based on excess. Finding a balance between form and function is where I see the beauty of building custom cars. If you’re too into one particular area of a build, you’re probably going to have a boring car.”

      Well stated. I concur.

  9. bert said:

    If you’re not driving stunt double for Sylvester Stallone using the half foot of rim cocked sideways on your deep dish’s poking out from under your rolled razor sharp fenders going after grandma in a wheelchair for a hundred points in a crappy Death Race 2000 remake, then it’s not ok to stance! However, if you are making a living working the before mentioned job, then don’t forget the homemade, useless metal downforce wings held together with baling wire.

  10. ish said:

    Its really quite simple. When the stance is not safety hazard to you, the car, or the public you shall be allowed to stance. Everything else is just a matter of opinion.

  11. Jake said:

    You can do whatever you want with your car and your money. If you want to slam it and pour diesel all over it so it rusts, then do so. If you want to keep it stock, then do that.

    Who are we to say what a total stranger is or is not allowed to do with their own property?

    • Randy said:

      I don’t think the question is about permission, but rather as establishing a “community feeling” on a matter of taste – some things are turn ONs, and others are turn OFFs, and this is the latest fad that’s being way overdone.

      Stance them any further, and they’ll be underground!

      Eventually, some pinhead among our elected superiors will step in, and tell us all what we can do. Quite often, they do now, as something could present a threat to public safety. It’s always public something that leads to that, but I’ll hold back for another discussion.

      Fortunately, “stanced” doesn’t work in da ‘Burgh.

  12. Maximo said:

    I’m not a big fan of stance’d cars. Maybe it’s because i’m from Quebec and our road conditions are not like the ones we drome about that are probably found in the warm state of California. And the make it worst we have the goverment who just banned hellaflush’d cars.
    there’s an article on jalopnik explaining this stuff…

    http://jalopnik.com/the-fascists-in-quebec-just-banned-your-hellaflush-car-1609831093

    Sure stanced cars sure look cool when it’s done properly but seriously is worth sacrificing good handling for good looks? Form or function? that is the question. Just a reminder we’re in march and there’s still snow outside. It snowed yesterday. there’s a shipload of snow everywhere, the time of the year where your stance car is useless is not over yet.
    But on a more positive light, if a car is stance on an air suspension it’s cool because you can raise it up if the road gets rocky and bumpy or full of potholes like in Montreal.
    I have a friend who owns a JDM ’92 mitsubishi Z16a, rides on stock suspension. Trust me it’s not kind of car you wanna see full stance’d out or hellaflush like ‘all the cool kids do’.
    I don’t really care for cheap honda civics being slammed to the groud but there’s some cars that shouldnt be slammed.But hey that’s just my opinion and the fun thing with car culture is that its so vast that in end you end up love what you drive or whatever.

    • Ben Hsu said:

      Ha, it must be the sunshine and bikinis giving a skewed view of California. Our roads, especially in LA, are beyond terrible due to disrepair. Massive cracks and spine-jarring bumps for no reason. My car isn’t even totally slammed and I sheared off half my oil drain plug once. It’s not all

    • Randy said:

      Hmmm… Check my post slightly above…

  13. Daniel said:

    First off, I dislike the use of “today’s youth” like my generation all blindly follow one trend, regardless of ones personal tastes, and while not many people my age (18) are not into Japanese nostalgics, (mostly because they dont really know they exist) I (thankfully)don’t see many cars that are stanced,or to this extent (why is always California that always pushes it too far :P) but this isn’t the first time people willingly destroy cars, which is why overall, I don’t like drifting either, sure its difficult,and requires talent, but…why would you destroy your passion? Smash it into walls trying to get better? this isn’t the first time people have behaved strangely for trends, and it highlights the same problems: desired/perfectly decent cars being destroyed, and later generations wondering where all the Silvia’s,skylines, etc went. So while I 100% agree with the three rules, its not just a matter of when ‘stance’ is ok, but when is ‘drifting’ ok? other trends also destroy cars that aren’t ready/don’t deserve it or what have you, especially when drifting is almost always done in cars that will be desirable, hence why I’m buying an S14 before they completely disappear. rant over.

  14. Shakozoku said:

    Stance = No

    I definitely hate the use of “hella slammed yo” stance style on old JNCs because that whole scene is just played out and very idiotic. The style, here in America, atleast, pays no respects to the Japanese car scene but mostly to having “swag” or whatever.

    Shakotan = Yes

    I think that Bosozoku/Shakotan style can be applied to any old Japanese car, because it’s period correct and it’s just rad looking.

    I think no American type stance style should be applied to a J-tin car because it’s just trashy. There’s a big difference between Shakotan and stance style.

  15. Thomas said:

    Never!

    *waits for my decals to arrive in the mail*

    • Thomas said:

      Function wins every time. Plus driving a JNC as the manufacturer intended is part of the charm. Right down to the cassette deck complete with hiss. If you want to look like a twat, there are lots of cheaper alternatives. When is it ok to stance? When it’s not a JNC! Buy yourself a Lada and crappify it to your hearts content.

  16. moe said:

    Stance everything
    IF STANCE is a NATION then I wanna be president!!!!!!

  17. dankan said:

    I think Mike Kojima said it well. Hella flush is hella fail. I don’t care about the three rules, and don’t care what stancers opinions are, I think it’s idiocy:
    http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticles/ID/2612/Hella-Fail.aspx

    • Randy said:

      Good article!

      I guess they really ARE destroying the cars.

      When you see them on the road, just avoid them, so that if something fails at-speed, only THEY will be the ones killed.

  18. Raph said:

    I have a hard time with the whole function>form argument to car customizing. Especially for street cars. The function of street cars is transportation. To move humans from point A to point B. Anything outside of that aside from safety, and emissions is form. Aesthetics play a huge part in why people like particular cars. If they did not, i would image most of you would own a base model civic or something alike. But, your thinking, what about performance? On a street car not necessary, most likely a liability. I think of why high hp cars and motorcycles have such high insurance rates over equally priced lower hp models. Is it fun to have a powerful vehicle, YES, is it necessary for street driving, no.

    My point is most car enthusiasm today is not about function, it’s about form. Drifto, stance, boso, shokatan, muscle car, low-rider, lifted, classic, tuner…etc are all different types of “aesthetic” form. We don’t need to do any of these things to get from point A to B. I bet on the Prius owners forums they have a thread about old cars on the road posing safety and environmental threats. As car enthusiast why get into debates on purity when it cuts across interests? You like muscle cars, you don’t have to crap on low riders. Just do your thing and leave it alone. Do what you do, and do it to your best, that’s the best way to keep things alive and pure.

  19. Aaron said:

    I thought the cheap body-kit trend in the mid 90’s was terrible, but I was wrong. This new trend in automotive appearance is far worse. Somehow the progression within this group was elevated to an entirely new pinnacle of ignorance for an entirely new generation of kiddo’s to enjoy. One benefit of stance over the body kits is the liability; whereas flapping bumper covers, loose spoilers and side skirts flying off of Civics were once a danger for pedestrians and motorcyclist. Stance really only makes for horrible tire wear, limited traction and terrible scrub radius. Way to go guys. Good thing they have those bicycles on top of their cars, they may need them to get back to their mom’s house.

    To answer the question, the time in which it is O.K. to stance is: when pooping outdoors.

  20. pstar said:

    When is it okay to be a poser?

    Like the other guy, I don’t abide the use of “stance” as a verb. Every car has a stance. How dumb would it sound if people said they “springed” their cars instead of lifting/lowering them. Or called getting new seats and shift knobs “interioring”. Just dumb and douchey.

  21. Bob Cold said:

    Hey now, I have a (Ford ) Mazda 6 second generation, and I quite like it. Haha!

  22. Michael said:

    I hate the fact that stance has become a thing. It’s not a thing, it’s just a way to describe the way a car sits. 10-15 years ago a car just simply had a nice stance, or a tough stance or a race stance. Now you can stance a car…….it just makes no sense to me what-so-ever, and the fact that people hate on stance is even crazier. How can you hate on something that your own car has? Every single car has a stance, whether it be standard or as above. I definitely know where this is all coming from and definitely agree to some degree because the internet has given this form of modification a name, and I especially agree about ruining classics, or rare cars but not necessarily about it being a fast car or a slow car. I myself have done the flush fitment thing with just 1 car in my 18 years of modifying and I had the arches rolled completely flat(no pumping to alter the lines), got the fitment spot on, couldn’t fit even a finger tip in between the tyre and the arch and had minimal scrubbing so no damage at all to the car and I loved the way it looked(and drove)!!! Would I do again, maybe, is it a style I like, yes(but more to look at), but I prefer to just go with the regular type fitment and usually a little lower than normal, and that is the stance that I like to achieve, but don’t consider stance a thing by any means. It’s a term that’s been around since before most of the “stance kids” were even a glimmer in their parents pants, even their parents parents pants.

  23. Negishi no Keibajo said:

    At the risk of getting hammered, here I go. I absolutely agree about trashing a classic. Being an old fart, I am assuming by stance, you mean the insane levels of lowering beyond functionality but not a set of Eibachs for an inch and a half. I love auto design and concepts. I may argue by the time a car sees the market, especially in the US, bumper height requirements don’t even begin to approximate what the designer had in mind. A functional inch in my opinion returns to the designer’s vision. Confession; all my cars are lowered an inch or so… I appreciate both sides of the argument, BUT, regarding non-functional extreme lowering…

    My passenger and I were almost killed the other night by a detached tire and wheel. It was night and as I was transfixed on the lowered car trailing a shower of sparks, I didn’t see the wheel until the moment of impact. I fly planes for a living and it is amazing the carnage a single nut & bolt can cause.

    I plead with you, do it properly, safely and of course, tastefully. Thank you for the article and all the interesting responses.

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