When Toyota dropped photos of its upcoming Toyota’s S-FR concept, many thought it looked suspiciously production ready. As it turns out, it may be even closer than we thought. As it turns out, it has very specific specifications, and they have been leaked.
A forum already devoted to the S-FR has obtained figures seemingly leaked from a Japanese magazine. 128 hp and 109 lb-ft of torque are the magic numbers, but the Powerball jackpot is a curb weight of just 2,160 pounds.
For those playing at home, those are figures suspiciously close to the ND Mazda Miata. The S-FR even comes with a 1.5L inline-four. It appears, though, at least initially, that the S-FR is not a product of the newly formed Toyota-Mazda partnership. The leaked info clearly states that power will come from a Toyota 2NR-FKE engine, the same 1.5L under the hood of the current JDM Corolla.
However, the motor will be slightly tweaked and have direct injection, upgraded ports, and obviously be longitudinally oriented for a rear-wheel-drive layout.
Given its lightness, it boasts a claimed fuel economy rating of 47 mpg in the Japanese test cycle. If true, the leaked price tag is an amazing ¥1,500,000, or just $12,540.
Given these numbers, however, we’d bet that it is not meant for the US market, where sports cars are judged by one figure and one figure alone — horsepower. The FR-S is already ruthlessly condemned for having a mere 200, and it’s hard to see a car even smaller than the Scion hitting the streets here. And perhaps most telling of all, the S-FR is said to have only one transmission option, a 6-speed manual.
Wow! I’ve not been so excited about a TMS since Carlos pulled the cover off his GT-R in 2001. We had a brief spurt with the IDx, and the 86 (remember ‘Fun to Drive Again’), but this is actually exciting.
With luck, and if the timing is right, we’ll be able to present some real world photographs and comments right here. Don’t touch that radio dial…
Lazy Americans. Went by a Ford/Chrysler dealer the other day, not a single manual transmission on the lot. Not even in a truck. As cool as the S-FR seems to be, I agree with the non US market sentiment. Tradition continues as the rest of the world gets the cool cars and we get mundane A to B blah-mobiles.
Hey I’m American and I actually prefer manual. But I have an automatic because like you said, barely any manuals to see
I’m American too – and lazy – can’t leave that out! – but yeah the lack of manuals is depressing. Pretty much have to get the base level of the base model. There was a time when you could get the power-windows-and-sunroof model with a stick.
I’m from TN so just as lazy as you guys but the only auto I own is my tow pig, 02 F350.
When my neighbor wanted a new Subaru, she had to order hers to get a manual.
I wish we would have liked the manual in the new Crosstrek, but it didn’t seem to be well thought-out at all. We’re manual-transmission people, but after looking for a couple of months to find a manual Subaru Crosstrek (a new one), one quick drive was all that it took for us to pass on it and get the CVT. We were so disappointed, but we thought that the manual was horrible. It’s a 5-speed so it’s screaming at 3,000+ rpm at highway speeds (why no 6-speed?!), and the clutch and shifter just didn’t work well at all, at least for us. It’s like Subaru is trying to get people to buy automatics to raise their CAFE so they’re providing the worst possible manual transmission. Of course, the WRX that we drove was fantastic with a 6-speed, but they don’t have the “wagon” version of that model yet. If the Crosstrek would have had a 6-speed we would have grabbed it in a second; bummer.
I really doubt the specs are genuine.
It’s obvious the specs are made up. No one knew anything about this car until last week (save for Toyota licensing the name back in spring) so having specs suddenly appear doesn’t make sense. Such a low hp for a car that’s too big to be Kei in the modern industry wouldn’t make any sense given the hp out of the Miata and other cars in this class.
In my opinion I do see this as a possible sibling to the Miata. The timing is right if they share a platform. And the car is certainly production level in design. The only giveaway is the static shift boot indicating this is just a rolling shell.
Just looked it up, and as it turns out, those numbers match the Japanese AE86 in almost every way (I’m allowing a few percent variance). I’m going to guess this is BS as well.
yes yes yes for that price!!! even with 660 cc engine and 64 hp. In Argentina US$ 12540 + 35% tax for extrazone + ship and another robbery for the goverment…US$ 20000 is not bad for us.
Take an example:
VW black Up! 5 door $ 197037.53 pesos argentinos to a $9.48 pesos argentinos official conversion of dolar is US$20784.55
It´s a good deal or not?
THIRTY-FIVE PERCENT IMPORT TAX!?!?!?
Toyota would be better off to build a plant there – even if to just do the CKD process of final assembly.
35% for extra zone cars (outside mercosur of mexico) toyota make hilux in argentina (hey they make 794.000 unit from 2005 to 2015 vs ford making f100 from 1959 to 1995 with 409.000 units)
Yeah is a high tax, all for the “made in argentina” bad or regular cars with high prices and low specs…
Maybe toyota can make ckd but they need some integration porcentage parts to comply and skip the taxes. The corolla is manufacture in brasil and sold without esp in their high spec.
Those numbers really say something about Toyota understanding their markets.
Now, everything I know about Argentina is from online, so forgive me if I get this wrong, but there’s a lot of jungle in South America, and I’m guessing that Toyota (1) is more reliable, and (2) it’s smaller size allows it to get through small villages and undeveloped places easier.
By the way – for new Toyota: Etios Cross. If it’s All-Wheel-Drive, I think I’d be in.
I want this car more than any vehicle of any sort to come out in the last 30 years from any brand.
What he said.
This car is super ugly.
I think it’s kinda cute lol
I live in Europe. Here we are familiar with cars of that size. Bring it on Toyota!! 😀
i mean we do have miatas here in the states, so why dont they let this?
I agree with Ryan and Toy,
This is my favorite new car idea in a long time. I really dig the looks although I’m not completely sold on the gaping guppy mouth. But over all it just keeps growing on me. It’s modern and somehow retro at the same time and mechanically it ticks all the boxes. Light weight, rear drive, 130 hp, great mpg. Thank you Toyota for even considering building a car like this. The closest thing to a new AE86 we’re ever gonna get.
Ever see those light-up teeth that you put on the grille?
Shark / Vampire / Bubba / ???
It’s a BMW 1 series chassis… I heard that from an insider.
I could imagine this on Watanabe wheels, loud exhaust with TRD stripes. This is a fun car!
Angry puffer fish…
I am thankful that Toyota is considering a new vehicle like this. We enthusiast need a new vehicle that will fill a market that I believe all auto makers have abandon. The market that the they all fought for market share in the past: A good looking, highly modifiable, easy on the wallet, inexpensive tuner car.
While Honda still has the Civic SI and Mazda has the Miata these miss the mark by a long shot. They have overly complicated the simple by adding all these creature comforts like GPS, internet access, power everything that added cost & complexity while not enhancing the driving fun these small nimble cars can offer.
If only they could build us a new generation of the Mazda RX3, Toyota AE86, Honda Civic SI (Like the 1999) & Subaru 2.5RS coupe. Something the younger generation and aftermarket could support. Something to get back to the basics with that will fly off the dealers lots. Doubt anyone will listen… not enough profit in it…
I swore I would never buy a newer car, and that my next car would be a couple decades older than my current one (a ’92), but if they come out with this and have an option for a naturally aspirated engine putting out a good 50-60+ HP over this one, and still get around 35mpg, I may have to reconsider…
This looks cool and all…..but all these people posting up “about time we get a cheap, simple, light weight rwd sports car”……its exactly the same thing people were saying about the FR-S / BRZ…..and nobody buys those anymore.
I made a photoshop of this car! The video can be seen on youtube!