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Yayoi
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 Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:56 pm Post subject: Datsun CSP311 Silvia |
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Info from a Silvia website:
"The Nissan Silvia CSP311 made it's public debut at the Tokyo Motor Show in September of 1964. For the design of the Silvia, Nissan engaged the services of a German designer by the name of Count Albrect Graf Goertz. Goertz was trained in Germany and in the 1950s traveled to the United States where he worked for Studebaker, designing the Studebaker Starliner. He then returned to Germany, where he was employed by BMW. His work at BMW included the gorgeous 507 convertible. He then moved to Porsche, where he was part of the design team working on the 911. In the 1960s he was on his way to Nissan. His first job there was to take over the Silvia project. According to Goertz, the Japanese designers saw the design process as being an amalgamation of seperate ideas. Goertz designed the car as a single entity that included many of his trademark features seen previously on cars like the BMW 507, such as a long bonnet line that lunges forward of an open grille, large wheels and wheel arches and small, delicate bumper bars. The Silvia was the first Japanese car designed using a full scale clay mock-up. Goertz later worked on other projects for Nissan including a four seater version of the Silvia that never reached production. He also came up with the concept and initial designs for the Datsun 240Z, unfortunately Nissan chose to heavily redesign the 240Z, eventually settling on a blander design for the production version, rather than the bold design by Goertz."
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Yayoi
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: |
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"Many books have refered to the Silvia's sales figures as being disappointing or as one book said "a failure", due to the fact that they only sold 554 of them. I doubt Nissan intended to build many more than that, if they did they would have geared it up for a full production run rather than hand assembling each car, which is a slow and expensive way to build a car, especially if you want to make a lot of them. The other reason they weren't likely to sell a lot of them was the price."
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kev
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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I always thought they looked a bit ungainly but maybe it was just bad photos....that gold one looks superb!
Here's some stats...980kg, 90ps pushrod 1595cc, Y1.2m when new, which was seen as a bit expensive given that the Fairlady roadster with the same engine was 75% of the price.
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Yayoi
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Car in pics is For Sale....not mine  Car is #239 of the total production.
Everything original except the seats and missing hub cups. Seats that it currently have is from a 240z.
Apparently, some of the Datsun CSP311 car pieces were numbered on the back side...Why? Particular pieces are specfically for that car and will not line up correctly with another one since some parts are hand made.
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mr camouflage
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Bullshit. Goertz did not design this car anymore than he designed the 240z, 2000GT or Porsche 911.
He was employed as a consultant to Nissan during the time they were developing a 2 seater sports car in conjunctions with Yamaha, and consulted on the Silvia project too, but he never "Designed" the car, and was never "Put in charge" of the project.
The Designer of the CSP311 is Kazuo Kimura. He originally designed the car, and later revised the design based on input from Goertz.
The website you got your information from is full of inaccuracies.
and its Silvia, not Sylvia.
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tonyS30Z
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: |
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yayoi,
wonder how much would it be for the one on sale goin for. This car is superb, with tht pointy front with grill and head lights..... 
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MikeRL411
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:42 am Post subject: Silvia CSPL311 |
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Beautiful car. Definitely needs low back bucket seats and original wheel covers! JDM model designation was most likely CSP311 since it was right hand drive.
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burabuda
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:05 am Post subject: |
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not many realize the styling influence of the mk 1 silvia on the s13 silvia sedan:
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mr camouflage
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:36 am Post subject: Re: Silvia CSPL311 |
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| MikeRL411 wrote: | | Beautiful car. Definitely needs low back bucket seats and original wheel covers! JDM model designation was most likely CSP311 since it was right hand drive. |
The only model designation was CSP311.
Low back seats would look cool, but high back seats are safer. Mines getting 240/260 seats too.
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Yayoi
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 11:38 am Post subject: |
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Yor are right...Silvia not "Sylvia"...that was a typo on my side. As far as the Goertz or Kimura, 
| mr camouflage wrote: | Bullshit. Goertz did not design this car anymore than he designed the 240z, 2000GT or Porsche 911.
He was employed as a consultant to Nissan during the time they were developing a 2 seater sports car in conjunctions with Yamaha, and consulted on the Silvia project too, but he never "Designed" the car, and was never "Put in charge" of the project.
The Designer of the CSP311 is Kazuo Kimura. He originally designed the car, and later revised the design based on input from Goertz.
The website you got your information from is full of inaccuracies.
and its Silvia, not Sylvia. |
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burabuda
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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flauge, do you find it pretty cramped inside?
i remember les from classic datsun motorsports
could hardly fit into his csp311 coupe
and he's not more than 5'9" |
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HS30-H
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| Yayoi wrote: | As far as the Goertz or Kimura,
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Yayoi,
I'm sorry - but what is that meant to convey?
As Mr Camouflage has so rightly pointed out, The real designer ( or 'stylist' ) who should take the major credit for the looks of the CSP311 is Mr Kazuo Kimura. There is documentary evidence to show that he had already penned the major part of the CSP311's styling before Goertz had even started his short contract ( and even shorter actual time ) at Nissan, where he wasn't even employed as a designer or stylist anyway.
Goertz betrayed Kimura, and was happy to take any 'credit' for the CSP311 while at the same time he was dissing Nissan for having 'messed up' the car. He went on to do exactly the same thing over the design of the S30-series Z; taking the rub-off of 'credit' for the design - despite not having contributed a single line or detail to it - whilst at the same time accusing Nissan of somehow diluting his 'contribution', and 'building the car around less-than-exotic mechanicals'.
Goertz knew that his claims were false, and displayed a distinct lack of class in attempting to take credit for the work of others. Ironically, Goertz's fans always play-up his roots in German proto-nobility - implying that he was a 'class act'. Truth is that he was quite an 'act', but one with not that much 'class'..........
Good on you for fighting the good fight, Mr C. ! |
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Yayoi
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The converys that I get what he is saying and I don't really want to make this a debate thread ...  <------That's just me smiling.... |
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kev
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| Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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I've learnt the hard way that it's just ...better....not to mention that guy Goertz anymore 
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