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PostPosted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:45 am 
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That's a very nice restoration, nothing beats a setup of triple weber side drafts. (even if its a bit tight in there :D )


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hi kev; ive been following up your build and dude... you really inspire me. Me too is currently building my ride and im currently rebuilding my carbs as well. Its just a dual mikuni solex's to my 18R engine.... but nothing compared to yours... :|

You can check out my thread :
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i might need your help on my carbs rebuild as well; if you dont mind that is.... :|

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I just recently got those kind of softmounts too for my carbs. But the studs of the inlet manifold flanges weren't long enough to use these rubber spacers. (And I tightened the spacers a lot more.) I think they are there to prevent vibrations. Right?
Haven't started the engine since then.

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I remember reading on a Mini forum that if you're using DCOE carbs you have to use the rubber isolation gaskets. If not apparently the carbs will perform sub-optimally.

My Mini still has twin 1.25" SUs on it, but I am toying around with an idea that would take me to twin 40DCOE Webers. It all comes down to piles of cash though - hahaha... it always does!


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Used them because I had no more paper gaskets and they came for a few €.
The vibrations are already neutralised by big rubber flanges bolted to the manifold on my car.

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Ah - that's what I was tryin to remember...the vibrations. That messes up the fuel delivery / atomization or somethin' like that, yes?


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Yup...they say that the vibes from the motor will "boil" the fuel in the carbs and compromise the fuelling. Some ppl swear black and blue that you must have softmounts, but generally JDM carb kits don't come with them, and also some stock cars that come with Webers just bolt the carbs to the engine solidly with a normal paper gasket. But...it's worth a try, and in my case will prolly do as good a job in temp insulation without adding as much length as the original bakelite spacers...

A couple of little things weren't too hard to sort out this morning. I found a nice bit of scrap stainless and made a new cable bracket (much nicer than the dodgy japanese one). Polished up quite nice.
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Bolted a loom tie-down to the rocker cover to hold the booster hose. It'll do the job, but from an aesthetic point of view I think it's a bit messy how you can't miss that big black hose.
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Just need to measure up the plug wires to see what lengths I need to get...

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We must hear the beast live! Oh man...I can't wait to hear you rippin' around on video when things are all finished.


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Tonight's session was fun because it was the time when all the pieces are ready and it's just reassembly and fine tuning.

Remember the strut brace fittings that I sent off for rechroming?
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Here they are, and for $30 I think they turned out great! I also asked for a set of nuts and washers to be chromed too, and I've put a normal cad-plated nut there as a reference to what it used to look like.
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The only thing is, the process is re-plating, and it doesn't remove the old chrome plating, the new chrome just goes on top. So the new chrome plate actually makes the threads tangibly thicker, and I had to sand the threads down a little and even then the nut was a very tight fit on the male brace end. Before, the nut was a very loose rattly fit, but the first time the nut went on it had to go on with quite a bit of force, and I had to keep backing off the nut to clean out the little bits of chrome plate which were being worn off the threads.
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It's worth thinking about when you get parts rechromed, that you may have to clean the excess chrome off the threads with a tap and die later, but I think with the powdercoated tower brackets, the strut brace will look quite nice.

Ok, onto the engine. Remember how the Redline manifold requires such a long brake booster hose that it's a little unsightly?
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Someone made the excellent suggestion of using a hardline to replace some of that rubber hose. So I started off with this dodgy bit of 10mm copper tube that the JDM engine builders used as a fuel rail.
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Straighten it out, polish it up and cut it to length...
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Then seal in the shine with a few coats of clear...fit up with a couple of P-clips to the rocker cover bolts and voila!
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It curves around the back of the head...
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Where I rerouted the rubber hose and one way valve under the clutch master cylinder. Came out pretty good.
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Next thing to do was to finish the throttle linkages. Before, I goofed and didn't realise that the Redline manifold required that the linkages be fitted before the manifold goes onto the engine. I did get the linkage jackshaft on, but only after removing the centre mount so that I could swivel it in place.

Anyway, it turns out that a length of steel 10mm rod is only $20/m, so I bought some and had it cut to length. It's much shorter than the JDM jackshaft, and gave me enough clearance to fit it with the centre mount back in place.
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Next, set up the new Lynx ball rods. They have to be the exact same length.
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You might notice that the throttle arms on the jackshaft are almost vertical. If the jackshaft arms were exactly parallel to the carb arms then there would be a 1:1 movement ratio when you depress the accelerator. The arms on the carbs are at 45 degrees or so, so adjusting the ballrods to have the jackshaft arms more vertical means that the throttle is slightly progressive.
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Setting up the linkages for the first time is a little fiddly and time consuming since there are so many variables. In the end I got it pretty close, but I wasn't happy with the angle of the cable bellcrank, and also the amount of slack in the cable I had to adjust in to get the right pedal travel.
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So I shortened the stainless bracket I made by 20mm, which made it a lot better.
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Then the angle of the bellcrank is adjusted so that when the pedal is floored, the carbs are at full throttle. At full throttle, I think it's ok, the cable isn't going to fall out of the groove of the bellcrank when it returns to idle, and there isn't too much slack.
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There's probably more fine tuning to do on the linkages when I get the car going, but at the moment it turned out pretty nice.
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Ok, tomorrow night I'll triple check everything and then have a go at firing her up and giving it a tune. Fingers crossed...but at least it looks nice! :)
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Spot on Kev waiting now for a video clip when you fire it up :D :D


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love the build

cannot believe i did not come up with hard-line idea before :)


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Allllrighty. Checked over everything, retightened all the hoses etc and had a go at firing her up. Good news is that I'm still alive, and not in the burns unit or anything and I still have all my fingers and eyebrows :)

Fired up on the first go with a snort of starter spray down the air horns and settled down to a pretty steady idle. I'd set the carbs at the mixture settings that seemed to be optimal from before, and after a quick check it seemed that was still good. It's much easier to tune now, before the airflow measuring thingy would get inconsistent and weak signals, now it gives a solid reading and responds to small adjustments where it didn't before (I think that was just the manifold air leak at work).

Idle speed set at 1100rpm and it does sound quite different from before. Before, it had this weird offbeat lope, but that's gone now and it sounds more like a normal lumpy idle.

As usual my camera seems to pick up all this thrashy valvetrain noise, but in reality it sounds much more normal than that. Blipping the throttle does seem cleaner and more responsive, and doesn't diesel on when you shut it off anymore (again I think that was caused by the air leak). It still seemed to spit a little bit when idling, but it seemed to go away after it warmed up, maybe it just needs to be driven.

Here's what it sounded like before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LURiUq6iYxo

And this is tonight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEmArO5Ekck

I took it for a bit of a go up and down my driveway and it seems more tractable for sure. Fingers crossed for the first drive...

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Dude! Sweet! (I may not have lived in Southern California for a while but you wouldn't know it by the way I talk when I'm aound cars). :)

Awesome news, Kev. I know you've been workin' pretty hard on the 'ole Box.


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looks great Kev and it does sound a lot better. Love what you've done to the brake booster hose. great job

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Its looking good dude, just one thing perked my interest....

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Yup...they say that the vibes from the motor will "boil" the fuel in the carbs and compromise the fuelling. Some ppl swear black and blue that you must have softmounts, but generally JDM carb kits don't come with them, and also some stock cars that come with Webers just bolt the carbs to the engine solidly with a normal paper gasket. But...it's worth a try, and in my case will prolly do as good a job in temp insulation without adding as much length as the original bakelite spacers...


Im not too sure about "boiling" fuel in the fuel bowl because of vibrations. Remember, your inlet is a. directly over the exhaust and b. carbys need heat as it helps atmotization [bound to be spelled wrong]. I am by no means a carby expert [i love the sound, hate the tuning/reliability issues], but from memory the factory twin SU's mounted on L series motors were "hard" mounted, and yet this issue is not present.

As an engineering graduate and having done "basic" fluid dynamics [couldve fooled me into thinking it was rocket science], i think the vibration-caused carby problems are actually cavitation or line-hammer, where constant flow is not achieved as the flow of [in this case] fuel is turbulent, not laminar.

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Thanks for the positive thoughts, guys :D

Ok, well last night it was 1am when I fired up the car, so I couldn't really give it a big rev. Well, today @ 6pm this was not an impediment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPy4JcOcLxM

Sounds great, and from another quick squirt "up and down the driveway" it seems much more toey than before. But I didn't get out of first gear obviously.

Here's what she looks like at the moment, with the "rego wheels" and "rego ride height"
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Only concern at the moment is rather large pool of fuel under the carbs after a idling for a while. I get the feeling this might be quite normal tho.
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sweet jebus!! is that the actual required ride height? Surely not?
Cant get it certified/engineered for lowness?

Looking good man, im so dam envious.


It's at about 16cm of ground clearance, but legal is as low as 10cm. But the springs I put in the back to bump me over 10cm did rather too good a job :D

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I would hope it's rather not normal for fuel to pool on the heatshield directly above the extractors.

Surely something is amiss!??

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I agree with kyteler, something is not right. Fire waiting to happen.

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