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 Post subject: Why no Isuzu Garage section?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 8:11 pm 
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Big company back in the day (until GM destroyed it), why does ISUZU not have it's own Forum Garage?

my ex Aus version ZZ/Z T-Series:

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the Isuzu Garage section?
PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 10:25 pm 
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Union76 wrote:
why does ISUZU not have it's own Forum Garage?


We can't have one for EVERY make. :P

Now if you can get a bunch of Isuzu guys in here, we'll talk. 8)


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:26 am 
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:) see what I can do..... no guarantees though.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:38 am 
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I might just flash your web site address on a few sites that I am on and if anyone joins here so be it.

otherwise all hell could break lose.......

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 Post subject: Re: Is this the Isuzu Garage section?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:43 am 

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datsunfreak wrote:

We can't have one for EVERY make. :P


Here's an idea, let's trim the Forum Garages down to four based on the American Redneck System:
    Ford
    Chevy
    Dodge
    Other


Then everyone here can be equally discriminated against just like everywhere else. :P

Then, maybe we could all work for a couple decades to build a broad aftermarket offering parts for all makes and models, only to have the parts clerk ask the eternal question "What year Civic are you working on?". Oh, wait, that's the screwed up state of the world as it is now...

Watch the howls when it is suggested that one of the existing forum marques be removed, and that is the way those of us who are perpetually in the "Other" category feel. Think about that before sniping.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 9:10 am 
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^^^^ "Crikey" :shock: ^^^^

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:37 am 

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It has always amazed me how groups of owners can transition from unaccepted niche status to mainstream, then turn around to the remaining unaccepted niche group and treat them with just as much disrespect as they had only a few months or years prior.

In the US, we put up with "Is it Ford, Chevy, or Dodge?", as the question from the parts clerk.

Sport Compact Car magazine hit the shelves, and the first three cover cars were VW Scirocco, Ford Escort (the crappy US Escort, not the Cosworth), and Geo Storm (Isuzu Gemini Coupe), There were a lot of Hyundai Scoupes mixed in there too. It was a stereo and custom body work magazine, with a little performance thrown in, well, if you could call ripping out the fuel injection and installing a carburetor a performance upgrade. There were early Z cars, Supras, and RX-7s as the exotic car ideal. But 240SX and Starion were criticized as having truck engines. Subaru? - the Justy. Mitsubishi? - the Colt. Neither exactly inspiring for the time.

No Hondas anywhere to be seen, this was before the Californians figured out that they could redesign every single engine component to keep them from blowing up if you tried to push them, and then redesigned every suspension component so they wouldn't flip over going down the quarter mile. But Honda was the first to be accepted, and it took all those parts to keep the cars from scattering parts all over the track, a market grew, and the parts guy changed his question to: "Is that Ford, Chevy, Dodge, or Honda?" Nothing else was worthy of owning or working on, and anyone foolish enough to spend money on something else was wasting their money.

VW developed a market. Subaru and Mitsubishi introduced powerful cars, lending credibility to their previous models. Nissan and Toyota did the same.

The rest of us? Remember that Ford Escort and Geo Storm from the Sport Compact Car magazine covers? No one else does. The rest of us were left out in the cold to fend for ourselves.

A lot of this has to do with high school kids and rice boy mentality, but I see some of the same sneaking into this website too. Look at the "Is your car a classic?" thread. It quickly transitioned from owners explaining how proud they were of their own car, to people shooting down other people's cars because they didn't have chrome bumpers or did have fuel injection. So, because a company continues using old technology, their cars continue to be classics a decade past the other forward thinking companies who embrace new technology? Pretty thin argument for exclusion, and exclusion in website catering to such a deep niche is just too hypocritical.

Is it practical to have a separate board for every single marque? How many marques are there in Japan? Maybe it isn't practical. But that doesn't make it right, any more than it would be to suggest that the forums catering to larger groups of owners should be removed. One thing to remember, though, exclude any group or relegate them to the "Other" category, and they won't come here and grow in this community in numbers that will show a need for their own forum outside the "Other" category.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the Isuzu Garage section?
PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:41 pm 
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JT191 wrote:
Think about that before sniping.


I "sniped" at no one. Lighten up a bit.

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Is it practical to have a separate board for every single marque? How many marques are there in Japan?


About 3-4 times as many as we currently have specific sections for.

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One thing to remember, though, exclude any group or relegate them to the "Other" category, and they won't come here and grow in this community in numbers that will show a need for their own forum outside the "Other" category.


I disagree. I give most people more credit than that.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 8:10 pm 
Now, this is just my opinon, but let me say this as far as "individual garages" go. There are many great model or brand specific forums out there that cater to those cars and therefor have greater activity. What I think is great about this site is the cross section of owners from other forums whose advise we would not normally have access to on a vehicle specific forum. Just because someone is into Datsuns now does not mean at some point in time they weren't big into Mitsu's and have a wealth of knowledge that would not be available on a Datsun specific forum. I mean, would you go to Ratsun for Suburu information? But, that Ratsun member may also come here and be able to offer insight on the question due to the fact he/she may have worked for a Suby dealer 20 years ago. I may be off base on the *purpose* of this forum, but I feel this is where the strength of this forum is- the cross section of members from other sites coming together here. I know I recognize many screen names from all maner of other import sites. Strength in numbers. Anyways, while there may not be specific garages for certain makes, I don't think that is a hinderance in members not looking in there. There is just not enough in that particular make/model to justify a separate area for 1-2 posts a month when there is most likely a owners group somewhere that *may* be a better source for info?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:46 am 

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Despite being an Isuzu fan, a seperate forum may be over the top just a little bit...

Now, back on topic, Union76 is a sellout/softcock [pardon the french]. He sold his Gemini to drive plastic fantastic. Tell em about your Skyline mike :D

I should also blame mike for making me bankrupt - i bought his ex-girlfriends Gemini and ive been in debt ever since. Ill post a thread up about that soon.

Mike, if you read this, give us a buzz next time your in the northern suburbs if you want to take a squiz at the old girl.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 8:53 am 
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F3ARED wrote:
Now, back on topic, Union76 is a sellout/softcock [pardon the french]. He sold his Gemini to drive plastic fantastic. Tell em about your Skyline mike :D

Mike, if you read this, give us a buzz next time your in the northern suburbs if you want to take a squiz at the old girl.

Nick-


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Sold my Gemini to a good home, that's all I wanted. A good man is Paul.

I'll be back in a Gemini 1 day Nick! The brand is still close to my heart don't worry about that...... (and still numerous Isuzu parts at home)

Wouldn't mind another 2 door.

Oi Nick, I may have sold out to buy a Skyline but what did you buy fool???? Didn't finish the Coupe off, no we bought a Datsun didn't we? How much did the Datsun cost? Pfft.

Very interested to have a look at what you have done though. The TG dash will look great!

And I totally agree with "Datsunrides" - What I think is great about this site is the cross section of owners from other forums This is really all this is - it's good there's ample appreciation for all the brands good and bad.

Also the JT's were a great model Isuzu - what an amazing engine and design (esp the Nero's).

JT191 - you should write and argumentative column for the magazine.

But:

Does Isuzu deserve the recognition that the other manufacturers get for their so called nostalgic models? I think so without a doubt.

So come on Japan Nostalgic Magazine, show us some Isuzu's.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 4:24 pm 
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Datsunrides wrote:
while there may not be specific garages for certain makes, I don't think that is a hinderance in members not looking in there. There is just not enough in that particular make/model to justify a separate area for 1-2 posts a month


My thoughts exactly.

Again, if that changes, the forum may change.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the Isuzu Garage section?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:01 pm 

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datsunfreak wrote:
JT191 wrote:
Is it practical to have a separate board for every single marque? How many marques are there in Japan?


About 3-4 times as many as we currently have specific sections for.



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Is it practical to have a separate board for every single marque? How many marques are there in Japan? Maybe it isn't practical. But that doesn't make it right, any more than it would be to suggest that the forums catering to larger groups of owners should be removed.


My comment may have been preemptively defensive, but omitting the entire rhetorical statement which answers itself and additionally indicates a grudging acceptance of the status quo expected response, is a little disingenuous.

But...

Minkara Car View (Japanese Facebook for car enthusiasts) has 10:
Lexus, Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Subaru, Suzuki, Daihatsu, Isuzu
There is no "Other" category, and apparently some obvious ones are missing, with an extra spot for Toyota under its own name as well as Lexus. And Daihatsu has been a part of Toyota for as long as I can remember.

Yahoo Japan used car listings shows 14:
Toyota, Lexus, Nissan, Honda, Mitsubishi, Mazda, Isuzu, Subaru, Suzuki, Daihatsu, Mitsuoka Motors, Hino Motors, TOMIKAIRA, Other domestic models
Again, Lexus is separate. And under "Other" are mostly fork lifts, four wheeler cycles, some mis classified Hino and Datsun, and a "Takeoka Abi" bubble car.

Goo Net used car has 15:
Lexus , Toyota, Nissan, Honda, Mazda, Eunos, Ford Japan, Mitsubishi, Subaru, Daihatsu, Suzuki, Isuzu, Hino, MITSUOKA, Other Japan
Lexus and Mazda's Eunos luxury brand given their own listings. Again, "Other" is mostly fork lifts and four wheelers, plus a "Erekushido".

Car Town used car has 13:
Toyota, Nissan, Mitsubishi, Honda, Mazda, Suzuki, Subaru, Daihatsu, Isuzu, Mitsuoka Motors, Hino Motors, Ford Japan, Lexus

I'd be interested to see a list of all of the Japanese manufacturers even on a separate topic. Hino seems as rare as most even mention.

As it applies here, I would think that showing the oddest, rarest, and least known in the forefront would add to the educational value and credibility of the website. AE86s and Hakosukas are great, but that content does not set this site apart from other websites on the net.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 5:02 pm 
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if i were king, i'd get rid of marque subcategories entirely

then everybody would have to sort through all threads, even re: makes/models that don't interest them

would people be put out? probably. would people learn a lot more about other makes/models? definitely.


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 Post subject: Re: Is this the Isuzu Garage section?
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2008 7:24 pm 
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JT191 wrote:
As it applies here, I would think that showing the oddest, rarest, and least known in the forefront would add to the educational value and credibility of the website...


Seems to me like the site would then become a bit, focused on who can come up with the weirdest stuff? Perhaps not...

I like a good mix of "common" and unusual. But I have to tell you, I think the content leans more towards the unusual as a whole...

Every day I see something on this site I've never seen before.


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Were Isuzu ever much more than GM/Opel stooges when it came to cars anyway? Never looked like it, from T-car GM stuff and on...

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 12:09 am 
I don't think they need their own section as afaik they didn't bring out many models early on

gemini and bellet are the only ones I know of


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seventhskyline wrote:
Were Isuzu ever much more than GM/Opel stooges when it came to cars anyway? Never looked like it, from hand-me-down Borgwards on to T-car GM stuff...


Not a lot of the General in these:

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 783595.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 598903.htm

But not many about, maybe not even in Japan?????

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:45 am 
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Isuzu didn't make an awful lot of passenger cars, especially prior to joining GM in 1971. The only models I can think of are the Bellel, Bellett, Florian, Gemini, Piazza and Aska and of course the Hillman Minx they built in the 1950's. There are probably one or two more but a lot of the other model names are attached to varients of the models I've already mentioned.

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Yeah of course theres the Bellett, 117... But otherwise they built Hillmans for Rootes then T-cars for GM....

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