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 Post subject: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 6:22 pm 

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Location: Torrance, CA
Hello JNCers

Feel free to follow along as I restore my newly acquired N600. This will take place in LA county near Redondo Beach. This is the first time I have ever attempted anything like this and I have already learned a lot

Details on how I got it:

*the previous owner took everything out to paint it, the paint is pepper white from mini cooper

*the engine was put back in, but not wired, so that is currently my #1 priority

*the windows are not installed, I have the glass, but no gaskets/weather stripping yet

*the seats need to be reupholstered, and no carpeting or headliner

*The body is in great condition, some rust on the bumpers, but not the body

take a peep

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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:50 pm 

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So the solenoid on the starter needs to be replaced, does anyone know who make a compatible solenoid?


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2012 2:04 pm 

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found a solenoid at honda600carparts.com

I'm considering the carpet kit from there too. does anyone know how that price might compare to having a carpet custom made by a reupholstery shop?

once the solenoid gets here I still need to figure out my wiring issues. something must be crossed because the starter spins indefinitely when the battery is connected. With no input from the key in the ignition. I'm hoping to find someone who can put their running N600 side by side with mine so I can hopefully find where I made a poor connection. I also have a multimeter and a wiring diagram, so I am trying to figure it out that way too.


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 5:37 pm 

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check your switch wires, sounds like they are crossed


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:08 am 
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I would recommend making a small harness for starting purposes only. Disconnect the stock harness completely. Both my harnesses had been so over heated, due to bad connections, that any power connectors were melted.
I ran a gas line directly into a can of gas. Wired coil and fuel pump with a switch and used a remote push button. I also made sure all the timing marks were correct to be certain the timing chain was ok.


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:56 am 
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I thought I should add. You don't need a solenoid to operate the starter. It is just a relay to switch high amp circuit with a low amp circuit. Use a pair of pliers to jump the high amp wires together.


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:37 pm 

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I took the solenoid off the starter and found that the lever only moves and pushes the gear out when it is all the way up, I took a picture of the lever. There is a hole near the bottom that seems to be for a pin, does anyone know if that is the case? It also seems that the lever needs to be pulled farther than the plunger in the solenoid will be able to in order to push the gear far enough out to meet the solenoid.

the previous owner told me he had the solenoid motor rebuilt by someone, who thinks the lever was installed wrong?

here's the picture of the lever

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag28/Russell_N600/Honda%20N600%20Restoration/starterlever.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:58 pm 

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Also, the wiring problem - I overlooked the connection between positive battery and the main fuse that supplies power to pretty much everything haha

here's a picture of the headlights working now that I've properly powered everything
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and I got some goodies in the mail, door cups and two badges/emblems for the trunk, both need a little touch up

http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag28/Russell_N600/Honda%20N600%20Restoration/doorcupsandtrunklogos.jpg


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 12:04 am 

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And I cleaned up the seats a little over the weekend, here's a little before and after on the rear seat:


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 11:06 pm 

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Another update, I assembled the rear half of the interior. I will be using the same vinyl restorer for the bottom of the seat that I used on the back of the seat, so that will get cleaner


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 12:13 pm 

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That's nice, keep us posted. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 11:32 pm 

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thanks,

I just got the starter working, the little wire that grounds the solenoid was connected to the wrong post. The starter as a whole worked as it should in my hands, but when I bolted it up I don't think the battery had enough power to overcome the resistance from the flywheel. I'm hoping that's the only problem now. I could hear the gear click out, but it wasn't spinning

Also, can anyone tell me what gph the fuel pump is rated at?


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:35 pm 

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So it sounds like when the starter was rebuilt by the previous owner, he put the wrong drive on it. I'm going to have to get it rebuilt again.

The starter was working perfectly on its own, but every time I bolted it up to the engine and turned the key, it would jam with the flywheel and I wasn't able to get the flywheel to budge.


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:42 am 
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With the starter off the motor you should be able to rotate the small gear forward with your fingers. I did not take my starter apart but I do have an extra fork and appears to pivot on the 6m bolt. If the small gear is jammed I would move that fork down to the other hole.
http://www.hondapartsunlimited.com/part ... 70/2dr/4mt
Follow link to "starter motor". It is an exploded view that might help.
The manual shows and my "fork" shows only (1) pivot hole. Your arm appears to have (2) possible pivot points. Starters come apart easily so I would take a shot at it yourself and only take it to someone as a last resort. Ref the exploded view and be careful with the brushes.


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:39 am 

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Well everyone, I got a drive for the starter and a fuel pump from honda600carparts.com

Finally got this beast started - it was an amazing feeling.

sounds like a small airplane with no muffler

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYqkVma35IU


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 3:12 pm 

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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2013 8:51 pm 
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Wow! Looks great man, I love old Hondas so much. Keep up the good work!


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:34 pm 

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Update:

I just connected the shift linkage to the transmission this past Friday and I foolishly tried to drive it. The clutch is not fully disengaging the engine, so the engine stalled of course

Here is a picture of the clutch lever. I tightened the bolt considerably, but I think it is still too far away to be able to properly engage the clutch. Can someone please verify this?

When the clutch pedal is all the way to the floor the bolt pushes the spring loaded rod in by about 3mm


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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:42 pm 

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Also,

I got a blanking plug from Component Force to fill the antenna hole. It was a free sample :D

And I installed the grill. kept the emblem original. I plan to have the bumpers powder coated gloss black as well.

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 Post subject: Re: 1971 Honda N600 restoration
PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:46 pm 
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Never seen one with a black grill, but I love it. :tu: :mrgreen:


Kinda reminds me of the concept car that made the rounds awhile ago...

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