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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:13 am 
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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:53 am 
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Ever since I got the Hako, the in-car entertainment has been provided by a single-CD Sony head unit, which dates to probably the early 90s and came with the car. Speakers were vintage Pioneer pod speakers, and when I replaced the worn-out drivers with new MTX ones, the whole thing actually sounded pretty good. So I was happy with it and saw no need to change.

But then recently a good friend was doing a cleanout of his shed, and found one of these:
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It's a Becker Europa II radio, which would have been oem-fitment in Benzes, Beemers and Porsches in the early 70s. So it's period-perfect for the 1971 Hako.
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It's in absolutely superb condition and is utterly gorgeous to look at and hold. But the eagle-eyed among you will have spied a little 3.5mm mini jack poking meekly out of the front plate, which couldn't possibly be original.
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Well it isn't standard for 1973. Rather surprisingly, Becker Autosound in the USA offer a service where they retrofit these vintage Becker head units with an aux jack that you can hook up to an iPod. And my new/old Europa II was one such modified unit, so I couldn't wait to install it to see how it works.

So out comes the centre console, and the old deck, as I tidied up the wiring in readiness for the Becker.
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And out comes the old Sony, which to be honest worked much better than I expected it to.
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The wiring for the Becker is really simple. The long wire is the +ve, the short wire attached to that bolt is earth, and you can see the speaker wires coming off those plugs to the right of the shot. Modern decks also have an always-on power source, so that things like saved radio presets and bass/treble settings aren't lost when you turn off the car. But with the Becker, treble/bass and radio presets are held by the mechanical position of the controls, so a keep-alive-memory power source isn't needed. Hako also doesn't have an aerial, so that's one less thing to hook up too. Seet that white plastic cap on the right side of the unit? That covers a 7-pin plug to accept an external cassette player! I guess in 1973 that was the equivalent of adding a CD stacker :D
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The Sony deck was installed in Japan by jamming it into this oddments pocket that bolts to the bottom of the centre console. This looked like it would work for the Becker too.
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So after making a bracket...
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The Becker bolted to the DIN-pocket just fine.
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And the chrome front fascia is a perfect fit for the centre console.
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And into the car it goes!
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At this point, you think that it doesn't really matter if the 40yr old deck works or not, it just looks awesome :)
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And I have to admit that my sonic expectations of this ancient deck were pretty low...I figured that as long as I could make out the song, and as long as it wasn't *completely* drowned out by the Webers, then it was all good :D But you know...it's actually pretty good! You can crank up the volume to a pretty reasonable level before it starts to go all crackly, and while it isn't the last word in clear staging, I wouldn't say that it's a million miles behind the old Sony unit.

When you plug in the iPod, it swaps from radio to the aux input automatically, and then you select songs via the face of the iPhone conventionally. Very chuffed with this :D ...and I have to say that it does seem really bizarre that the iPhone just plugs into this vintage thing...kinda like picking up an 18th century musket and then discovering that it's equipped with a laser sight :)

There is only one problem though...and that is that the Hako already has a vintage radio at the top of the dash, which is the oem-fitment Hitachi.
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Now it isn't DIN-sized like the Becker, so the Europa II is actually too tall to fit into the Hitachi's slot. But I reckon that the Becker wouldn't look right if it was at the top of the dash, and the spot where the Hitachi is would be better used for some gauges or even an oddments pocket. I'll sort that out down the track...

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:35 am 
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I love vintage stereo equipment! Unfortunately I don't know as much as I should on the subject. Seeing period-correct car audio installed is always a treat, and that aux input is simply awesome!

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:36 am 

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Tip for you:

http://www.antiqueautomobileradio.com/

Check out the Stereo Conversions...I have no personal experience of them yet since my Datsun-unit still sits on the work bench in the garage but when the turn comes to redoing the interior I'll definitly consider it.

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Seems you should contact

Classic Radiomobile Company
102 Clareville Ave.
Sandringham, Sydney, N.S.W. 2219
AUSTRALIA
(02) 9583 2056
radiomob@bigpond.net.au


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:07 pm 
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And here's a vid of it in action: http://www.vimeo.com/27867965

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I guess it makes sense that the older radios which don't have circuitboards would be easier to modify like this.

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:44 am 
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That is pretty cool Kev! Looks good in the Hako. Definite thumbs up for that sexy undercover modified period radio! :tu:

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 5:31 am 
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i must have missed something in your build, did you end up ditching the Kameari setup in the end?

let me know if you can because i was looking to buy one in a few weeks LOL


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:28 pm 
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You mean the Kameari Racing Distributor kit, in the middle of this page?
http://www.kameariengineworks.co.jp/cat ... 2.6.26.pdf

Yeah, I still got it :) My engine builder wanted to go with a modified 280ZX dizzy instead. You want it? :D

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:22 am 
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FYI I think I got mine at roughly the same time Kev got his (Kameari distributor I mean, not Hako) and I've been pretty happy with it. Not sure it's worth the mighty price tag but the fact that it's new (instead of 40yrs old) and pretty bullet proof gives me piece of mind. If you can get it lightly used from Kev you'll probably be quite pleased.

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:37 pm 
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Damn! I thought there was an update.
Oh well, back to lurking... 8)

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:21 am 

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hi there..im newbie here,just register in to this forum..im really interested in hakosuka GTR..where i can find this type of car?how much the cost to buy this car?do you know where to find the cheapest?tqvm


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:41 am 
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If you're in the USA, I'd vouch for these guys to help you find a car: http://www.jdmlegends.com/

These were only sold in Japan, so they will have to import one for you.

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:15 am 
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I'm on a mission... a mission to hope of an update........ :wink:
like the others i've looked everywhere and can't find one.............................

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:31 am 

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Seriously Kev, we're gunna be forced to work on our own cars soon :cry:


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:05 am 
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Aw, go on. Please ?
At least post a pic of what you've been storing on the roof/bootlid/bonnet....

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:50 am 
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Aha....well I've been busy on a a certain german car, and now a certain rotary car is dominating my time.

But...This Sunday is the annual Datsun Day, so the Hako will have to be detailed and spruced up for its first car show in almost 6mths. And the Sunday after that, is the All-Japan Day, and the Hako will be on display there too. So if you're in Sydney, please come down and say hello!

It's going strong though, took it to work a couple of times last week...as for working on the Hako again, umm....well I guess I might have some time after I sort out the suspension clunk on the rotary...

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:19 pm 

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OMG, an update from kev :shock: .....and its an update to tell us that a proper update will be a while...i feel like crying.
Ah well, keep up the good work kev..(oh and if you want a good detail, contact MoonLight Detailing, 0419 891 811, he's a mate and he's very good 8) )


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:07 pm 
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...or I could detail it myself and take lots of pictures :D

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:17 pm 

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I think that's a better idea..lets go with that..i need my fix ma~an.. :shock:


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:02 pm 
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Oh come Ooon!
Stop faffing (I was going to say fapping but that would be inappropriate) around with your fancy beetle and put the damn diff in.
I've updated heaps of stuff on my thread,
viewtopic.php?f=7&t=6780
and all the while you've been going broke (again) fixing overly expensive dross that wouldn't have broken in a sturdy Japanese car..
I'm beginning to think you've lost interest.
And if you have, dibs. :twisted:

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