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 Post subject: Dodge Colt to Lancer 1600 GSR
PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:33 am 
I want to take this old, shitty colt and build it into a Lancer 1600 GSR clone. Anybody got 2 cents on how I should push the horsepower up to 169 like they did for the Safari Rally? I want to keep it pretty authentic.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:07 pm 
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The first thing to do is get the proper engine to go in the car, a 4G32 DOHC. There were about a thousand made and 3 came to this country 36 years ago.
One of them was shipped back overseas about 4 years ago.
Grab one of these and start building,
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:36 pm 
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Hey Charlie, thats the engine that sold in NZ a few years back, if I remember rightly it went for around $2K NZD,
Was in an escort but I dont know what happened to it after sale, who ever has it isnt on the net.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:46 pm 
Damn, that is one mean looking engine. Only 3? I didn't realize this was going to be that scarce. haha. I wonder how much it cost to ship an engine across an ocean and then across a whole country. haha.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:55 pm 
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Yes Ryan that one is over your way.
RB,
There have been a number of these engines trading the past few years. Lord knows when the next one comes available.

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Ryan, have you seen the 4G92 Mivec swap I have going?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:27 pm 
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Old Colt,

The A73 GSR's were a single cam 4G32. The twin cam 4G32 was only ever sold in the Galant GTO MR.
The only A73 GSR with a twin cam 4G32 was Shinozika's yellow one that he rallied in the Southern Cross rally in Australia back in the '70's. After the rally the motor was stripped from his rally car and then sold on to a bloke in Sydney by the name of Frank Neil.

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I stand corrected then, I thought I had read that a few rally Lancers had been run with the DOHC engine for more than one season.
It is sure allot easier to replicate a C2 engine then.

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When I spoke to Frank Neil he told me that Shinozika's A73 GSR was the only one to use the DOHC for the Southern Cross.

Maybe they used the DOHC in some of the factory rally car's and left some with the SOHC.

A couple of my dad's mates used to service crew for the factory team at the Southern Cross. They would be able to confirm it.

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^ good info but let's get back on topic and try to answer the original question :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:31 pm 
So when Mitsubishi swept the Safari Rally, was it with a DOHC or SOHC? I have a guy with about siz or so engines and two bodies, all SOHC 1600, which I think was the only one the this generation of Colt. It'd be much easier for me if it was a SOHC, of course, that's what I've got to work with.


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Ryan,

The 4g32DOHC that went up for sale on trademe a few years ago was from NZ, but was purchased by the guy who imported the MR GTO from the US. He is on ClassicColt and also has a GTO GSR with quad throttle bodies. (sorry Matt, back on topic :wink: ).


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matt wrote:
^ good info but let's get back on topic and try to answer the original question :lol:


Matt, We are working at answering the question. The C2 engines used in Rally trim were more commonly in the 140Hp range. The DOHC engines in race trim were in the power range that RB was asking about.
In order for someone to build a replica one really needs to know what to build. that is the basis of this discussion.
I have massive archives here but recently trying to download more info in a Torrent my computer was ruined. The laptop I am on is of little use for this.
I have documents of factory run cars with DOHC engines.
These were run at events other than the Southern Cross.
These were run at the African Safari and such.

Probably the Best direction would be if RB selected a particular car to replicate and then we can pull resources together and provide information.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:32 am 
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if as you say the lancer safari rally 169 hp number was only achieved by the dohc mr engine (which is currently expensive and nearly unobtainable), it's time to move on :wink:

let's refocus and ask if 169 hp is doable with rb's current sohc mitsu engine (with today's tecnology)? if no, then whether he might want to consider an engine swap for something that can

rb, do you actually own this "shitty" old colt? or are you just window shopping? what year is it if you know?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:40 pm 
I do. It's just a body. I saw an ad for some older Mitsubishi Lancer engines and trans, so was window shopping from that prospective. It's rusty and beat up, but not too far gone. I think it's a 78.

As for which particular rally car, I don't know. I was reading about the Safari rally for a few hours and got a wild hair up my ass, which is usually a good thing. I know I don't have the resources for that DOHC engine, so it's out. Plan B, I guess.

Someone mentioned a 140 hp model, was that with the SOHC 1600? I'll have to dig through this guys engines, they're all 70s mitsubishis, and I'm sure mostly junked, but we'll see.


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well wasnt there a c5 trim for the 1.6 sohc? I thought they had mroe extreme builds, but the c2 was the general setup. Maybe the higher cammed engines were more road course then rally though.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:33 am 
It'd be to drive. Maybe to vintage rally. I've been looking into that. I've got a 64 Plymouth Valiant I was going to drop a 383 magnum or 318 wedge in to rally (because I'm an idiot. haha.)

Budget has become more of an issue since this week's 240z spending spree.

I'm not too concerned with how it looks. I'd fix up the rust and rattlecan it black, and that's probably about it. Mayeb paint a big red dot on the side. Gold sparkle vinyl interior if I can fix my sewing machine. haha.

I'm looking into now just working with the SOHC. Just because I can actually buy one and get parts and whatnot.

Still waiting to hear from the guy I was sourcing parts from. Apparently its all part of an estate from some sort of Colt enthusiast and the kids want it all gone cheap. Cheap enough I probably wouldn't be able to get this car up and going otherwise.

They've got a 72 Colt for sale if anyone is interested. He'd done a bunch to it. Engine 30 over and all that. Don't think it's run since the late 70s. But its cheap


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C2 is Galant/Lancer C3 is later Lancer (more the Lancer 1770 version rather than the 1600 C2 version ,people in Japan still argue about it) you can have a C2 Lancer or Galant , but only a Lancer as C3 , C3 style should get you into the 170HP area (all SOHC)
bad news a C2/3 style engine could eat $6K diff easy $1K Gearbox you can use std... suspension $$ so I think maybe its not going to happen , the best and realisticically only way about it is to replicate the works paint job and copy wheels..... wouldnt cost much.

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Nath76LA wrote:
. After the rally the motor was stripped from his rally car and then sold on to a bloke in Sydney by the name of Frank Neil.
Nath


then to Adelaide and now its back in sydney again.... wasnt any world beater but cool.

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The first thing to do is get the proper engine to go in the car, a 4G32 DOHC. There were about a thousand made and 3 came to this country 36 years ago.
One of them was shipped back overseas about 4 years ago.
Grab one of these and start building,
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