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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:41 pm 

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Oh - and see you Sunday at 09:15 where you'll experience another type of drive ...
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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:55 pm 
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Holmen wrote:
Looking good - instead if new u bolts, just keep accelerations to keep the arse down :-)


HaHa... I've actually got two of the 15" Compomotive wheels in the boot to try and help things out a bit...
Might have to try with two 25kg. bags of cement instead until I get the right U-bolts sorted! :lol:

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Oh - and see you Sunday at 09:15 where you'll experience another type of drive ...
Sorta Royal


And really looking forward to a cruise in you Crown this coming Sunday! :tu: See you soon Per...

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 3:57 pm 
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02Anders wrote:

And really looking forward to a cruise in you Crown this coming Sunday! :tu: See you soon Per...



How did the cruise go??

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Tue Sep 02, 2014 12:50 pm 
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anybody home?!?!? :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 10:18 pm 
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anybody home?!?!? :lol:

stumbled on this pic:
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That is just Baddd bbbbad to the bone. :tu:

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 6:37 am 
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Apologies for my absence from the forum! :oops:

I was back home in Denmark on 3 weeks of vacation during July, and was spoilt with the most spectacular weather we've had in Denmark for a decade or more. Simply stunning... 8)
Luckily that gave me plenty of opportunity to enjoy my beloved '73 BMW 2002. Now I know this is the JNC forum, but I make no apologies for including my German classic in this post. After all, when I tell all my mates with Alfa's, BMW's and Triumph's to shut it and just accept all the supercool Nippon classics, then really you guys ought to be able to appreciate a cool little BMW too. Right?? :wink:
Either way, the 2002 was my very first car and I've now owned her for a whooping 22 years! I know every single nut and bolt on her, and we've driven just about everywhere in Europe together. Needless to say, she's a Keeper in the most extreme sense. Really feels more like one of the family than just an old car... :lol:
It's tough living so far away from her. But I got my fair doss of 02ness this summer, covering more than 2000km in just 3 weeks and enjoying every moment of it too...

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oldeskewltoy wrote:
02Anders wrote:
And really looking forward to a cruise in you Crown this coming Sunday! :tu: See you soon Per...


How did the cruise go??


And yes, while I was home, I did indeed manage to meet up with Per and his stunningly beautiful and amazingly well-preserved Crown. I was utterly blown away!!

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Per was even generous enough to hand me the keys!
So on a perfectly sunny morning, four mates - all hardcore classic car nuts - cruised up and back down the coast road just north of Copenhagen in a flawless MS55 Crown. What an experience! Rarely have I had the pleasure of driving anything quite so comfortable and luxurious... :shock:

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Per, please take good care of her!! She's truly unique in that unmolested condition...

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anybody home?!?!? :lol:

stumbled on this pic:
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Yup, I'm back home now. Actually I've been back in Hong Kong for a bit more than a month now, but work has had me flat out, so not much spare time to play...

I've actually got that same pic saved on my laptop. And yes, sure as hell is bad ass... :twisted:
I probably would never go as far as fitting arches on mine, just because I couldn't get myself to cut up those perfect original arches she got. But I'm seriously considering a similar chin spoiler along with the duck spoiler on the rear. The jury is still out on this one...

Last Sunday I did however decide to take myself the necessary time for a bit of 'Quality-Trueno-Time'...
Oddly though, no one had arranged a Sunday Morning Drive on this particular Sunday...?? Instead my English mate Oliver and I promptly decided that we'd just do our own. :D So 7 am in the morning we meet up and headed for the twisty backroads that lead up through the mountains towards Brides Pool in the northeastern corner of mainland Hong Kong. It was great being behind the wheel of my Trueno again, and I thoroughly enjoyed the fresh suspension and the 13" Wats with fresh rubber, that I stuck on just before leaving for my vacation in Denmark. And even if Olivers painstakingly beautiful Porker 930 Turbo is in a totally different league from my little Trueno, I still believe the two classic coupes both had heaps of fun playing together on the twisty switchback roads... :P

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:37 am 
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nice to "see" you back.... was getting worried we lost another JNCer...



02Anders wrote:
Interesting thread!
Sorry if I'm highjacking a bit here, but my 2T-G is with the stock Bosch EFi system - thereby it is of course a 2T-GEU.
Would this limit me if I were to start tuning my engine??
I'd like to keep it injected as that's how it left the factory, just as I don't want to do anything that wouldn't have been done in period. Currently the whole engine is stock, so should be producing around 110hp. There's a complete Fujitsubo Giken stainless steel 4-branch manifold and sports exhaust system, but otherwise all is stock.
Which options would I have?? I don't need massive hp as it still want it to be streetable. Perhaps an increase to 130 - 140hp or thereabouts...



I'd begin with a decent porting job. A proper porting can improve the heads performance without the need for adding parts. Here is a flowbench chart of some of my 4AG port work. Note that @ the 2 stock camshaft* lift points, I've improved flow.
* - 4AGE early(83-87) came with 7.5mm lift, later(88+) was 7.1mm lift

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Its at this time you would add a 3 angle valve job, you can get the stock valves back cut, or look into a nice aftermarket valve. There is a LOT of calling to add O/S valves on the 2TG, I'd leave them the size they are, if you were to build a "track" engine, then I'd recommend the O/S valve route.

**IF** you decide on cams... choose wisely... "too much" cam can make it less fun, rather than more fun. Cams and compression go hand in hand. In SOME cases you can put a slightly more aggressive cam in without changing the engines compression, but typically you want to bump compression when "adding" cam.

Finally... if you are going to go down this "rabbit hole", make sure you have a machine shop who understands the 2TG... or at the very least performance machining.


Finally... again? - You may want to source a 2nd 2TG... this will allow you time to do it right. It has been my experience that more errors occur if the engine causes down time, where a spare engine allows more time for thoughtful consideration - no rush jobs! A 2nd engine also allows you to keep the #s matching engine alone for re-install in the future if you, or a future purchaser wants too.....

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 3:21 pm 

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That's a nice 2002 !


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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:08 am 
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@ Oldeskewltoy

HeHe... naaaah, you're not going to get rid of me quite that easy...
Even if I should decide to sell my Trueno one day, I'll definitely just rock up in some other JNC shortly after.
Dreaming of a 240ZG, GTO MR or an early twincam 117 at the moment... :shock:

Thx for copying over my 2T-G question to my thread, and thx even more for your very thorough answer! :tu:
I totally agree that the right way to go about this would be buying a spare 2T-GEU engine and starting work on that. Both so that I didn't feel the need to rush the work on the new engine, but of course also to keep my matching numbers engine perfectly stock. Only problem is again this recurring issue of space (or rather lack of...!) here in Hong Kong. I really wouldn't know how or where to store my original engine once I started running the breathed-upon 2T-G. Hmmmm... will have to give this one some thought before I do anything silly...
And perhaps you're also right that I should maybe settle for a blueprinted 2T-GEU, where all parts are stock, but everything is balanced, ported and polished. If I were to do so, how much hp do you recon that would release?? Surely no more than 10hp at most I suppose?? And I'm guessing peak delivery would be at an unchanged rpm in comparison to the stock engine?? And what would it do to the torque delivery??

@ Miracing

Thx mate!! :D
As I'm sure you can guess with the history I have with my 2002, she really holds a special place in my heart.
Always very pleasing when other enthusiasts also appreciate my little Verona Red 02... :tu:

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:27 am 
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Hmm, reading down the recent posts I was thinking, "what happens when he eventually goes home. Will he take the Trueno with him?"

And then I see the last post. Surely you will send it home to commune with the Bimmer?

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:08 am 
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Parrot, I most likely will be bringing the Trueno with me to Denmark one day. That's Plan A anyway.
At present I have 4 classic BMW's back home, so it would be nice to add a bit of variety with my Toyota! :tu:
But realistically it will of course depend on the circumstances at the time. It's unlikely to happen soon anyway...

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 7:53 am 
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ship the original engine back to Denmark..... ???



9% power increase (maybe as high as 12%) on all "stock" parts isn't bad.... now add in a small cam, and you are closer to 20%. 20% increase should be fun... affordable... and altogether shouldn't hurt overall durability.

What I don't know... is the 2TG-EU managements capability to adapt, or be fooled... You might spend a day... or three going through the Aussie site toymods.org and try to figure out your best options.

OR... go dual sidedraughts... a properly sized pair of DCOEs (or Mikunis if keeping to Japanese origins)


I was a bit remiss... very nice beemer. I began my automotive life in a 1964 Volvo 1800S, unfortunately it got rusty... and then hit :td: After the Volvo I had a few other European cars... 1971 Alfa GTV, 1969 TVR Vixen S2. The Alfa was fun for what it was, but mine was a P.O.S., and it got rear ended - collapsing the trunk.

As I see it.... the 02... and the Alfa GTV I see as part of the lineage of the AE86(coupe in particular).... front engine, rwd, fun, spirited.

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 4:52 am 
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Beautiful TE61!

There's some catalogues here that I couldn't see that you'd posted :)

Enjoy!

http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/sear ... 2&slider=0


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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 11:15 am 

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Wow, I'm speechless. Love all your photos, love this car.


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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2014 10:33 pm 
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@ Oldeskewltoy,

I like your way of thinking mate!! :lol: Well space certainly would not present an issue back home in Denmark, but if I do ship the original engine back home, then I've definitely also committed to keeping the Trueno haven't I...?

We'll see how I go. A breathed on engine probably won't happen in the next year or so anyway. I'm just starting to warm up to the project and gather info.
I would however prefer to stay with injection. If nothing else, because it would bother me having EFi written on the sides of my car and then having a set of Mikuni's under the hood. The EFI system used on the 2T-GEU is a version of the Bosch K-jetronic. It delivers a constant pressure compared to the later L-jetronic which had variable pressure. From what I understand the K-jetronic is easier to work with when tuning engines - probably because it's a simpler system. Please do educate me though if you know something I don't!! From what I've read in your other posts you seem quite knowledgable on this subject... :tu:

As for your remising on 02's, GTV's and early RWD Jap coupes such as my TE61 and certainly also the later AE86, I basically couldn't agree more with you. There are certainly also many similarities in the driving experience of these cars despite their different countries of origin. They all deliver huge smiles per mile and similar performance, just spiced with a bit of local influence - the Italian GTV perhaps being a bit more temperamental, the German 02 very sober and well-engineered, and my Trueno certainly also having some strange and difficult to define Japanese flair to it... Personally I can't possibly say one is better than the other - I'd love to own one of each... :lol: :lol:


@ Scarecrow,

Thx for the link! :D
I have actually bought one more brochure since I posted those pics. But I still don't have the one with the sedan & hardtop in (brown cover). Might have to look into that... :wink:


@ Jhmab2,

Thx mate! :tu: Much appreciated...

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2014 9:36 pm 
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Scarecrow wrote:
Beautiful TE61!

There's some catalogues here that I couldn't see that you'd posted :)

Enjoy!

http://auctions.search.yahoo.co.jp/sear ... 2&slider=0


Here is something else you may like, TE37 -TE61 manuals on CD to include wiring diagrams:

最安値・送料無料★カローラレビン【TE37・71】修理書・整備書

http://page8.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/h192712109

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:24 pm 
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@ 73gtv,

Thx for the link.
But being a proper oldschool kind of guy, I prefer paper to CD's. Sentimental I know... :wink:
And having this little collection on the shelf has me covered there!

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It's a complete set of original Toyota workshop manuals for my Trueno. They're brand spanking new too, so the biggest issue is really that they are waaaaay too nice to use with oily fingers! I photocopy the pages I need and bring them with me when I work on the car, thereby leaving the manuals well protected at home on the bookshelf.
The manual on the automatic transmission I obviously don't need, but it just seems a shame to break up a complete set of manuals.

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:35 pm 
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Sticking to the red & white theme, I've added a few more stickers to the Trueno.
I actually got these back in June when I flew up to see the Nagoya Nostalgic Car Festival. Just didn't get around to applying them before now. :oops: But especially the Falcon Racing Service Factory sticker seemed very appropriate now that my Trueno is sporting period Watanabe RS alloys... :tu:

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On the left side I added a Rising Sun to keep my existing JNC sticker company.

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All stickered-up I went out to play with the big boys again!! :P

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 Post subject: Re: '77 TE61 Trueno Sprinter 1600GT - JDM
PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:10 pm 
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Slight thread jack....

Any interest in a 79 Levin :shock: - http://www.ebay.com/itm/281437327069


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