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 Post subject: DIY hybrid 2E-FE engine, 2E with 16V twincam and EFI: ALIVE!
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:57 am 
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2E-FE is being built by me, my Starlet engine needs a rebuild, it sips oil, runs lean on 2 to 3k revs, and has had pollution gas test problems.

From 2E (carbed) engine i use:
Block, crank, rods, tranni, clutch, starter and so on

From a 5EFE with distroyed crank bearings i use:

16V Head, pistons (to be pressed on the 2E rods) Timing gear, Intake and exhaust manifold.

Extra things needed: 2EE or 4EFE ecu, wiring harness, electric fuel pump and some thicker fuel line, petrol catch can in engine bay to insure fuel supply in the longer curves.

The cilinders have to be bored to 74mm (are 73)

At the moment busy with flowing the head. Keep you posted.
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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 8:15 pm 

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:tu: nice


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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 12:52 am 
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Thanx 8)

3 exhaust ports flowed:
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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:14 am 
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Cool.

Serious dedication.

Are 5E-FE used engines available there?

Also, the head gasket from a 1996 Tercel 5E-FE (if I remember correctly) is a .25 mm copper gasket from Toyota.
This might be a cheap compression ratio increase for you. Just make sure you have adequate clearance between the pistons and the head.


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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:35 pm 
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Yes the Paseo is availablke here with 5EFE

Nice tip, good idea, but i am offered a set of 5EFHE pistons, so the CR will be increased to 1:9.8 or so. Will use a standard 2E gasket.

It is nice a lot of parts from the E series can be combined throug the whole line of capacity engines.

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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:32 pm 
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Pressed the pistons off the 5E rods lately. The 2E is dismantled, the conversion begins...

3 hours of pulling the engine out(2 man), 2.5 hours completely dismantling (me only). Not bad for non garagists.
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2E needs some attention, a lot of carbon.
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On the right the diy press helping tools.
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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:59 am 
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Block is bored/honed, balancing the 4 valve pistons with the rods, busy to combine 2 wire harneses.

Combined 2 covers for the timing belt (2E bottom, 5E top cover) Had to saw some out the 2E one.

Coppersheet for headgasket is ordered, techline/camcoat coating for bearings and pistons must be applied too

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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 8:36 pm 

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good morning sir. do you have by any chance an ecu pin out of your 2EFE engine? I'm converting my 3k engine from a kp61 to efi using the ecu of a 2EFE.Myt ecu part number is 89661-25060 which does not have markings from the inside.Thank you in advance.kudos to your work on the engine.


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 Post subject: Re: 2E-FE
PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:31 am 
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Hi Ngota1

There is no existance of a 2E-FE original from Toyota! :mrgreen: You must have there a EFI setup either of a 4E-FE or 2E-E

Pulled some schematics from the i-net and braided the extra EP81 (2E-E) wiring harness into my EP71 harness.

Used this one in special:
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Some extra useful schematics: (from: http://www.toyotagtturbo.com/forums/sho ... g-Diagrams )

http://street-legal-starlet.nl/Sagittarius/Wiring/SLS - EP71 Wiring diagram 2e-elu.jpg

http://street-legal-starlet.nl/Sagittarius/Wiring/SLS - EP71 Wiring diagram 2e-telu.jpg

Here is some info on pinout of ecu: (4EFE though, but allmost the same as 2E-E)
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Allmost done with my wiring harness

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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:31 pm 
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Busy with making a 0.8mm HG from coppersheet. ACL duraglide bearicg are on their way, within 1 or 2 weeks building can start.

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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 1:05 am 
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HG is ready
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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 3:06 pm 
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duraglide bearings arrived

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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:43 am 
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looks like a sweat build. Is the stroke of the 5E and the 2E the same? You might check piston @ TDC in comparison to deck height

the exhaust port work looks decent. Do you have a closer view of the combustion chambers? I do a fair amount of porting on 4AGE heads. I've not yet seen a 16V "E" head... or any "E" head for that matter :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 11:06 am 
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Thanks for positive comments 8)

5E has a longer throw/crankshaft then 2E and 4E, the 4E and 5E uses same pistons, deck height is the same from piston pin (18mm pin both) to top piston 2E and 4E/5E/4EFTE.

Toyota used all same part groups all around engine line :mrgreen:

The 4AGE has a much more sophisticated head design (2 flat wigs to eachother)

The 4E/5E head is more like 4 circles coming together.

Have done not much on the chambers, only some deburring/rounding on the sharp transitions on the edgy spots sticking in the chambers to avoud early detonation. But it will not detonate that much because CR kept rather low, 1:10

Tomorrow starts building, finally

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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Wed Dec 28, 2011 1:58 am 
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Block rehoned for 2nd time, first one i was not happy about, slightly to small and not within circular/size/taper tolerances, and surface roughness was not equal.

Hone job must be expensive i have learned, chose the cheapest firm. Good thing my friend works in a grinding factory they re honed the cils proper the 2nd time.

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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:27 pm 
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Turns wonderfull

5E pistons for the first time in the 2E block.
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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 2:03 am 
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Had to lathe the 5E oilpump pulley otherwise it touches the pump housing
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Used mainly the 5E parts of timing belt drive
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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:08 pm 
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IIRC, some 5E and 3E oil pumps are different. I think the 5E had a thicker pump rotor.
(Just in case you want to double-check)


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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:44 pm 
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Yes thanks.
5E pump is bigger, but the 5E pump i have is damaged because of the metal parts shaving through it. Used the 2E pump and shimmed the release valve a little for some extra pressure. 2E pump look/measured as new.

Did some assembling/torque (tengtools Nm wrench, works wonderfull!!)

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nice and clean

copper HG

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Head mounted:

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parts parts and more parts

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Hylomar pressed out after torqueing

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bling!

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Color looks nice together

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 Post subject: Re: Carbed 2E and 5-EFE: LEGObuild of a hybrid 2E-FE engine
PostPosted: Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:59 am 
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Preparation to hang the engine back in car.

Lathed a new stop for the 2nd camshaft
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to be continued! A lot to do before it can be started for the first time:

But here is the first STARLET EP71 with 2E-FE TWINCAM 16V engine :mrgreen:

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