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 Post subject: Restoration of a 1973 Datsun 240L (or KHGC110)
PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:30 pm 

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Hi guys,
I am new to this forum. I have just purchased a Datsun 240L. I was told by the owner that it is actually Nissan and the body trim and Nissan L24 engine suggests that it is but the registration card shows the chassis number to be KPHC110 and the model name to be Datsun 240L.
I am thinking of restoring it with Skyline trim. Firstly, I need to chassis and mechanical's to be solid. Does anyone here know where I can get a workshop manual and parts manual? Does Nissan still supply rubber parts and mechanical bits following the old part numbers?
Where do I get parts for this car? I found a few Japanese websites but they don't seem to be interested in replying emails in English. Any help would would be appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 24, 2009 8:33 pm 
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200L would be a laurel, but with your vin you must have a 240K :wink:


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 12:09 am 
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Hmm strange.. or is it KPGC110?
But a KPGC110 is 2000cc.. eh?

Most likely a 240K as they did sell a few 240K in Malaysia back then.. or maybe grey import or something. I know of and seen a few C110 Coupes in Malaysia.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 7:18 am 
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SharmCos wrote:
Hmm strange.. or is it KPGC110?
But a KPGC110 is 2000cc.. eh?


Wouldn't the G mean it's a GT or GT-R? If so, maybe that's why his is H and not G?


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One of the datsun nuts will correct me but...

HGC110 = 4door 240K/Skyline sedan
KHGC110 = 2door 240k/Skyline coupe

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 8:08 pm 
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F3ARED wrote:
One of the datsun nuts will correct me but...

HGC110 = 4door 240K/Skyline sedan
KHGC110 = 2door 240k/Skyline coupe

i believe the "h" is only for export markets

the 200L was applied to a few different generations, but here is the c230 body:
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:04 pm 

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Looks really ratty now but good thing is that it does not have any major rust damage (nothing that I notice yet, at least). The wheels are Toyo Z Wheels.

It has like 1/2 an inch of bondo which could hide rust damage. I got to remove that. I need rubber, chrome trim, some interior bits, etc. The lights are some crap that was adapted to it.

Anyone got a workshop manual and part manual for this car? I need to start ordering parts if they are still available. Any help on this would be appreciated. Thanks.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:12 pm 
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That must be 240K..
Oh Fiat 850 tail lights? No, just say those are Ford GT40 tail lights when people ask you :lol:

There's a proper set of Skyline C110 Coupe tail lights up for grabs, Daniel.. err.. you're Daniel eh?


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:18 pm 
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Nice Skyline...where are you in Malaysia? my friend in Kuching got set of tail lamp for skyline if you interested..and i got nice condition rear bumper..

Good luck with your restore.. :tu:

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:19 pm 

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HI Sham,
THanks for the lead. Yeah, Daniel here. I will be travelling to Kuching this 30th of Dec to meet up some friends. I already told Jamri that I would be meeting him to get the rear lamp panel. Will update you on whats happening.

Not many people appreciate this car over here. Most of the guys I know want me to dump in an RB26 but I really want it to look period perfect. The L24 looks really nice when done up and it already has a power steering pump and air conditioning. L series parts seem to be common here for the engine. My plans are just to keep it boring and stock for the moment. Thats why a workshop manual and parts manual would be very useful.

I was quite disappointed that the registration card did not list it as a Skyline but the owner said that it came with Skyline trim when new. I don't know if he is imagining it or it's true.

Maybe a GTR bodykit in the future, but that is the least of my worries for now. Got to get the body solid and window rubber and trim in place first.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:26 pm 
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Oh yes I would keep it period-correct. Holds greater value and respect if you asked me..

I think I have a pair of C110 fender mirrors. Have to dig the store.. well, not my store but my friend's in Japan hehehe...

There's one 240K near my house, near our last Prime Minister's house.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 25, 2009 9:29 pm 

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Bullit,
Would appreciate a PM on the bumper and whatever parts you got with your contact details. Will let you know if I need it. Thanks.

Sharmcos,
I got your contact details. PM me if you got anything too.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 4:54 am 
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datsunfreak wrote:
SharmCos wrote:
Hmm strange.. or is it KPGC110?
But a KPGC110 is 2000cc.. eh?


Wouldn't the G mean it's a GT or GT-R? If so, maybe that's why his is H and not G?


No.

The 'G' means it's a Long wheel-base, which basically translates to it having a 6-cylinder instead of a 4.

Quite simply there's no such car as a KPHC110.

The 'K' defines it as a 2-Door/Hardtop.
The 'P' is indicative of a 'Prince' engine in the 4's it's used to signify the larger capacity, the lack of a letter indicates the smaller capacity. The use of both 'P' as well as 'H' makes no sense in the code at all.
The 'H' in LWB cars, represents the L24.
The 'C110' is obviously the chassis code.

I'd like to see a photo of the chassis code/tag/stamp that actually says it.

Just for the record, the production for the 110 included such..

C110 (G16-powered, 4 cylinder, sedan)
KC110 (G16-powered, 4 cylinder, hardtop)
PC110 (G18-powered, 4 cylinder, sedan)
GC110 (L20-powered, 6 cylinder, sedan)
KGC110 (L20-powered, 6 cylinder, hardtop)

HGC110 (L24-powered, 6 cylinder, sedan)
KHGC110 (L24-powered, 6 cylinder, hardtop)

KPGC110 (S20-powered, 6 cylinder, hardtop)

Then there was a dun dun DUUUUUUN, FACE-LIFT!

BC111 (L16-powered, 4 cylinder, sedan)
KBC111 (L16-powered, 4 cylinder, hardtop)
HC111 (L18-powered, 4 cylinder, sedan)
KHC111 (L18-powered, 4 cylinder, hardtop)
GC111 (L20E-powered, 6 cylinder, sedan)
KGC111 (L20E-powered, 6 cylinder, hardtop)

..and of course there were various trim levels and suffixes for each variant.

Again, just to make sure it's noted. I'd like to see photo(s) of;

A) The Data Tag
B) The Chassis Stamp (it's on the firewall)
C) Interior Photos

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Nice car you have :tu:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:12 am 

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Hi Kyteler,
Thanks for the info. It is very enlightening. You are right. The chassis number is starting with KHGC110. Sorry about that. I was sleepy when writing the post.
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Any information on why the registration card shows Datsun and the engine has Nissan on the rocker cover? The badges and rear light assembly are long gone.

Any leads on companies selling parts for this car? What is the email contact for Rubber Soul and Victory 50? I am sure someone here must have the parts and workshop manual. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again guys.

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The cruddy undercarriage. Surprisingly just mainly surface rust and a few dents.

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Those are the phattest swingarms I have ever seen on a car!!! :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 5:25 am 
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All good, I figured it was a typo or just a mis-read. I just hoped we didn't have some bumbling attempt at doctoring the chassis code to a GT-R one, as has been known to have been done before.

It's a Datsun. That's why the tag shows Datsun.

The C110 Skyline was exported (ie. shipped and sold) outside of Japan, as the Datsun 240K GT (and in Australia, 240K GL) It looks like you need a whole new rear panel with lamps. That's not a big drama. It depends on whether you want to restore it to export-spec or Japanese Domestic-spec. If you're after returning it to export or "Datsun" specifications, then I think I have a set of lamps you can buy off me and perhaps even a spare rear panel somewhere to go with it. Alternatively you could find a set on YAJ (Yahoo! Japan Auctions) and then jump onto http://www.hayatonka.com/ and send an email to Ewan, asking how much they'd be to where you are. Tell him Michael sent you, he'll sort you out.

I have the parts manual but parts are not particular cheap for the 110 and the likes that are available from Nissan are reproduction badges and that's about it.

I also note you're missing the rear bumper as well as the rear window trim, or at least you appear to be. It's hard to tell from those shots. You're also missing the front fender markers.

Also, something about your front end is bugging me, though I think it might just be the trim has been removed off the guards and bonnet.

If you have any other questions, just holla. Or of course, if I've forgotten to answer anything, just remind me. :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:20 pm 

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which part of malaysia r u from bro?? gd thing u save dis model. hard to find here. gd luck.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 3:49 am 

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Hi Memphis,
I'm from Cheras, KL. Thanks. I am planning to restore it however there are many parts missing. Just got the brakes serviced, the clutch cylinder done up, and engine started. The alternator is not charging so I got to get that sorted out. Wiring has been messed up as usual. Thats why I was wondering if anyone has a shop manual available for reference. Engine fired up with no problems.
Thanks to Sham for the lead on the rear lamp assembly and also Jamri from Kuching for the lamps itself. I picked it up last month in Kuching. Not accurate for the model. Jamri said it was for a 4 door Skyline but I guess it is better than nothing for the moment.
Thinking of sand blasting the shell before welding and painting but the cost would be huge to just strip the whole shell and blast it. I need to get the body and window rubbers on standby before doing that too. So lots to think about before going ahead.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 11, 2010 12:43 am 
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4 door sedan model tail light panel will not fit a coupe and vice versa

ALTHOUGH, the light assemblies themselves are interchangable, just not the metal panel they fix into.

I also have one of these

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