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 Post subject: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2013 3:35 am 
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Hey guys,

It seems I just might be able to get my hands on a JDM 610 SSS Coupe!! :shock: :D

But in all honesty I don't actually know a whole lot about this model.
Would some of you pro's being willing to educate me? :wink:
What's the spec?
How big is the engine? Is it a SOHC? On carbs I presume, but which type?
5-speed gearbox?
Which type of suspension?
And just how rare are these nowadays? Collectable or not really?

Also, does anyone have any decent pics of them?

Thx for your help... :tu:

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of 610 SSS
PostPosted: Thu Nov 28, 2013 6:50 pm 
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Hmmmm.... judging from the amount of enthusiastic answers here, there's clearly not a lot of love for the 610 SSS then.... :(

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Fri Nov 29, 2013 6:51 am 
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Okay, today I managed to get some new info about this SSS that I might be able to buy.
And guess what, it's not a 610 at all!! :lol: :lol:
I managed to find out from the guy selling the car that it's a late 70's Datsun Auster 1600 SSS Coupe. Honestly, a model I had never before heard of!! :shock:
But I've of course both googled and wikipediaed it and am now a little wiser.
Apparently the car looks similar to this one - though the one he's selling is orange.

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The car currently resides in Thailand but he's promised me to get me some good pics of the actual car.
Must confess that I'm slightly excited!! :tu: A model that I didn't even know existed - how cool... :wink:

So what do you guys think of this model??
And can anyone tell me more about it?? Has anyone perhaps even driven one??
Oh, and I've of course changed the title of the thread accordingly...

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Sat Nov 30, 2013 11:42 pm 
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Hmmmm.... so what's the deal with the Datsun crowd??
- if it's not either a Skyline or a Z'ed then it's really not worth writing about...?? :roll:

Shame, cause I'd really love to add a classic little Datsun to my garage, but as much as I'd love a Hako or 240 that's just not going to happen as long as I choose to keep my old BMW's back home in Denmark. And NO! they're not going anywhere... So I'll have to settle with something a little more humble.
I honestly no nothing about the Auster besides what I read on Wiki, but I actually quite like the looks of it.
Would love to know what it's like to drive...

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:49 am 
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Looks like a Datsun Violet 160J. Euro name for it anyway.
Some were made in Taiwan?

sss had L16+ twin SU carbs and IRS, others leafspring rears.
Loads of rally heritage :mrgreen:

Saw a tidy one for sale here about a year ago. Had been imported from sweden


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
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i think we've seen that car before... build thread somewhere on this forum

what bmws? :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
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closest I've been to a 610. . .

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
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tojo wrote:
Looks like a Datsun Violet 160J. Euro name for it anyway.
Some were made in Taiwan?

sss had L16+ twin SU carbs and IRS, others leafspring rears.
Loads of rally heritage :mrgreen:

Saw a tidy one for sale here about a year ago. Had been imported from sweden


Tojo, I think they were called both Stanza, Violet, Auster and 160J...
I guess if they existed with IRS, then surely the range-topping SSS would have had it.
Do you know how much HP the L16 with twin carbs would have had?

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i think we've seen that car before... build thread somewhere on this forum

what bmws? :shock:


Garant, the pic of the yellow one is NOT the car I have the option on. I simply stole that pic off google. I've only seen a fairly poor phone-pic of the actual car, but it's bright orange, lowered and seems to be sitting on Hayashi Streets...

The BMW's I have back home are mostly 02's.
There's a ultra rare 'first-year-of-production' '66 BMW 1600-2. Also a '72 BMW 2002 that's been heavily modified (all period though!) for track and hillclimb. And then there's my uttely original '73 BMW 2002 that I have now owned for 21 years and which was actually the very first car I ever bought. :tu: Needless to say she's very special to me!
Then there's also a rare '65 BMW 1800Ti which needs a very full resto after having spent 38 years stashed in a barn.
And finally there's a big ol' luxurious BMW 3.0S (in the US you guys call them the 'Bavaria') that has been in my family 17 years now.
I loooooove my old BMW's and miss them to the ompteenth degree now that I live a whooping 5500 miles from them!! :cry:

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closest I've been to a 610. . .


HaHaHa!! :lol:
Well I sure hope the one I might be able to buy from Thailand is slightly better than that one... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 2:43 am 
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jdm figures might be different http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1 ... j_sss.html

Aperantly there was a efi model as well.

Could be an idea to ask seller for a pic of build ID plate on firewall


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:36 am 
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tojo wrote:
jdm figures might be different http://www.automobile-catalog.com/car/1 ... j_sss.html

Aperantly there was a efi model as well.

Could be an idea to ask seller for a pic of build ID plate on firewall


Good point Tojo.
I will do just that! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:14 am 
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Well it's not a lot, but for starters I got these two so-so pics from the seller of the Auster 1600 SSS.

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What's the verdict...?? :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:39 pm 
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02Anders wrote:
What's the verdict...?? :wink:


Buy it. 8)


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:44 pm 
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Side note...

02Anders wrote:
Hmmmm.... judging from the amount of enthusiastic answers here, there's clearly not a lot of love for the 610 SSS then.... :(


02Anders wrote:
Hmmmm.... so what's the deal with the Datsun crowd??
- if it's not either a Skyline or a Z'ed then it's really not worth writing about...?? :roll:


Insulting people because they didn't spoon feed you your answers fast enough is not exactly the way to win friends and influence people. :wink:

And it's not a "if it's not either a Skyline or a Z'ed" issue, because this is well beyond that. It's a very niche car, that almost no one on here has. Expect parts and information to be hard ot come by. Other than the small cult following these cars enjoy in Australia, there is very little English-language information to be had.



Side note #2, this was mine. I loved it. :P

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 10:45 pm 
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Also notice that here in America we didn't get the cool bumpers, which is one of the main reasons it was not well-liked here.


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
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02Anders wrote:
Well it's not a lot, but for starters I got these two so-so pics from the seller of the Auster 1600 SSS.

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What's the verdict...?? :wink:


Elsewhere in the thread it has already been pointed out that these cars had different names depending on the country they were sold in. The chassis code is PA10 and the coupe above would be a KPA10.

Sold as Datsun 160j, violet, auster, stanza and even badged as 510 for North American market. These cars have huge competition pedigree ( Nissan's most successful RALLY car by far ) and are very under-rated stateside. The good thing is that you don't therefore pay the so called scene tax and are essentially get a lot of car for the money.

Lots of engine variants ..even had A14 in Europe. Europe saw these with L16 engines while other markets got them with L20b as well. I believe japan had some with Z20? The SSS spec came with twin carbs, 5 speed dogleg pattern gearbox. The A10 was live axles not IRS.

Out of the box, they are a very nice handling car so that is a bonus.. Many have been modified as the CA and SR drop right in 8) .

The example above looks very tidy , I wouldn't think twice about buying it given how well they drive and their pedigree. There are a few examples still floating around in Europe so spares do come up for sale. If you need anymore information, drop me a PM. :tu:


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 3:00 pm 
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Datsfun wrote:
The chassis code is PA10 and the coupe above would be a KPA10.


For some reason the US cars had an HL-A10 chassis code. "A10" seems to be the only constant. :tu:


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
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Thx John and Datsfun!! :D
See those were the exact kind of answers I'd been hoping for - full of knowledge and enthusiasm... :tu:
Much appreciated...

John, that red one of yours looks absolutely MINT...!! What a beauty... :tu:
Clearly you've got some actual driving experience in one of these then, and it sounds like Datsfun does too.
So they handle well. But what are they?? I mean, is it a comfortable family hatchback with a slightly sporty feel to it?? Or is it actually more sporty than that?? How would you guys rate the driving experience compared to something like my Toyota Trueno TE61 or perhaps a Celica TA22??
Would the SSS that I'm looking at have IRS??
And what kind of HP does it achieve? And would that be from a 1600 with twin carbs?

I'm definitely proceeding with this Auster SSS, but the seller is not exactly the quickest to respond, which doesn't exactly boost my confidence. But we shall see...

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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
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john wrote:
Datsfun wrote:
The chassis code is PA10 and the coupe above would be a KPA10.


For some reason the US cars had an HL-A10 chassis code. "A10" seems to be the only constant. :tu:


H = high output engine me thinks which is L20
L = left hand ( wrong hand in my book) :lol:
For the coupe, K appears on the chassis code


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
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02Anders wrote:
Thx John and Datsfun!! :D

So they handle well. But what are they?? I mean, is it a comfortable family hatchback with a slightly sporty feel to it?? Or is it actually more sporty than that?? How would you guys rate the driving experience compared to something like my Toyota Trueno TE61 or perhaps a Celica TA22??
Would the SSS that I'm looking at have IRS??
And what kind of HP does it achieve? And would that be from a 1600 with twin carbs?

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They are designed as a family car essentially and coupe is a variant. They handle well girl a late 70' s designed car and either a few teaks can be made to handle very well. Achilles' tendon on these cars is the steering box, which could have faster ratios..

Basic L 1600 I'd 100hp so nothing extravagant and that coupe will not be IRS.

Have a read here...lots of good information at the start and then it goes off topic :roll:

http://community.ratsun.net/topic/50263-a10s-u-nite/

And buy it...


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 Post subject: Re: Pics & Spec of Auster 1600 SSS
PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 7:23 pm 
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Datsfun wrote:
nothing extravagant and that coupe will not be IRS.


What he said. Besides the stock 4-link coil spring set-up is a good as the normal Datsun semi-triling arm IRS, if not better.

Datsfun wrote:
Have a read here...lots of good information at the start and then it goes off topic :roll:


That's Ratsun in a nutshell. :P


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