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 Post subject: Vin Locations on Kenmeri?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:34 am 

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I'm trying to sort out an incorrect Vin on a KenMeri I am trying to purchase. In order to get things corrected, I need to know where the other Vin locations are on the car.

The Firewall Vin has been modified and the Engine is no longer original. Where on the frame or body are there any other VIN stampings?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 3:40 am 
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Hi there.
If this is the car I'm thinking of, the firewall stamping should read "KHGC110xxxx" Has the "H" been modified to a "P"?..anway the parts catalogue says the firwall stamping is the only V.I.N. marked on the body. There is a removable "type plate" or car number plate attached to the firwall, but once again, if this is the car I suspect a new plate was made with the KPGC prefix in lieu of the correct KHGC prefix.
Does it look like this?
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Thanks to classicZcars, Ah I see you posted there as well!!:wink: :tu:


http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24937&highlight=kpgc110

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Gabe!

How's it going? Yes GT-R380 is correct. The firewall & the trim tag are the only locations. I also went outside to check if the passenger floor had a stamping like in the c10. Unfortunately there is nothing.

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Is this the beat Kenmeri I was seeing all over eBay not too long ago?

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 Post subject: Re: Vin Locations on Kenmeri?
PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 7:33 pm 
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Gabriel Tyler wrote:
The Firewall Vin has been modified


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:28 am 

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Looks like this has been sorted on another forum.

(Edited erroneous information, so as not to confuse anyone. See Alan's post for a more accurate explanation of VINS)


Last edited by xs10shl on Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:59 am, edited 2 times in total.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:39 am 
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xs10shl wrote:
Just for posterity, I'll mention that any KPGC110 code with a chassis # above the 200's is almost certainly a fake. These cars are getting valuable now so this will not be the last one we see.


Actually, that's not technically correct.

Nissan didn't actually sell the first ten numbered bodies ( they were used as 'test mule' and 'crash test' cars, and were supposed to have been destroyed after that ) and the very lowest numbered KPGC110 to be sold was KPGC110-00011.

Then there were some gaps: KPGC110-00012 was not sold to the public, but KPGC110-00013 was. Then there was a jump to KPGC110-00023 ( I'm told a 'special' customer reserved this significant body number before production... ) and then proper sequentially-numbered sales started at KPGC110-00051, and on up - without any gaps - until KPGC110-00245.

The fact that they go above KPGC110-000197 might initially surprise us, but it is explained by the gaps in numbering. Such gaps can be seen in other Nissan models of the same period, and are fairly well documented - so shouldn't be too much cause for concern.

The fact that every single one of the 197 KPGC110s sold to the general public was documented a long time ago should be it's own warning to fakers. Owners of real cars are looking out for any 'lost' chassis that suddenly pop out of the woodwork, and if any such car does suddenly turn up from decades of oblivion then it had better have a good paper trail to back up its provenance.

Nothing wrong with lookalikes or replicas as long as they are honestly done, and nobody tries to pass them off as The Real Thing.



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Run away my friend, this is a fake car that has been floating around for ages. If it's the one I think it might be, it's a Australian spec 240K coupe with a few GT-R bits added check the classicZ car forums a few years back on this. Here's a link that will help out a bit more.

http://www.classiczcars.com/forums/show ... hp?t=29117

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As all the others have mentioned, there are forums all over the shop regarding this car. The seller of that vehicle, is also a JNC'er here.

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Makes sense. I thought of that, and I was trying to give myself a little breathing room by saying "above the 200's", believing that 299 vins would probably be enough. I must confess, I don't really know if there isn't maybe a a "#301". Any ideas how many are in the 300's or beyond?

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xs10shl wrote:
Just for posterity, I'll mention that any KPGC110 code with a chassis # above the 200's is almost certainly a fake. These cars are getting valuable now so this will not be the last one we see.


Actually, that's not technically correct.

Nissan didn't actually sell the first ten numbered bodies ( they were used as 'test mule' and 'crash test' cars, and were supposed to have been destroyed after that ) and the very lowest numbered KPGC110 to be sold was KPGC110-00011.

Then there were some gaps: KPGC110-00012 was not sold to the public, but KPGC110-00013 was. Then there was a jump to KPGC110-00023 ( I'm told a 'special' customer reserved this significant body number before production... ) and then proper sequentially-numbered sales started at KPGC110-00051, and on up - without any gaps - until KPGC110-00245.

The fact that they go above KPGC110-000197 might initially surprise us, but it is explained by the gaps in numbering. Such gaps can be seen in other Nissan models of the same period, and are fairly well documented - so shouldn't be too much cause for concern.

The fact that every single one of the 197 KPGC110s sold to the general public was documented a long time ago should be it's own warning to fakers. Owners of real cars are looking out for any 'lost' chassis that suddenly pop out of the woodwork, and if any such car does suddenly turn up from decades of oblivion then it had better have a good paper trail to back up its provenance.

Nothing wrong with lookalikes or replicas as long as they are honestly done, and nobody tries to pass them off as The Real Thing.



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:30 am 
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xs10shl wrote:
Makes sense. I thought of that, and I was trying to give myself a little breathing room by saying "above the 200's", believing that 299 vins would probably be enough. I must confess, I don't really know if there isn't maybe a a "#301". Any ideas how many are in the 300's or beyond?


Well, theoretically, none should be in the 300s or beyond....

If you count chassis nos 11, 13, 23 and then 51 thru 245 and add them all together you get 197, which is the number that Nissan says it "sold to the general public". Anything falling outside that range needs to be explained.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:01 pm 

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I wouldn't say it is a "Fake car".

I would say it's a car that some idiot in Australia modified the vin on thinking he was being clever. Unfortunately he knew so little about these cars that he didn't realize the modified VIN would be instantly noticeable.

Since then, nearly every owner has discovered this problem and it's had a bit of a snowball effect.

JDM Legends has the car for sale, and I'm interested in purchasing it, but the only way I can get it into California legally is to have the Vin corrected. We are attempting to get the vin switched back to the KHGC instead of the KPGC so we can put this issue to rest!

This poor car has gotten so much bad publicity just because some jackass decided to try and change an H to a P.......bummer.


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ahh another JDM Legends car will makes its way to CA :D keep us posted on your progress Gabe!

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I've admired that car for a while. From the pictures, it looks to be a very nice example.

Just thinking aloud, but perhaps it's easier to clear up the title by registering it elsewhere in the country under the proper VIN, using a bill of sale and photos of the VIN, then next in CA?


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it looks like i am the only one over here who never heard or seen anything about this car but now i want to see, pictures anyone?

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:47 pm 

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xs10shl: It's currently titled in Utah with the KPGC number. When a car comes in to California, it has to be vin verified. The officer would look at the vin on the firewall and see that it has been tampered with. Since there is only one vin on the car at all, and it's been tampered with, they will not accept it here in California. So we need an official replacement vin that is "above board". Hopefully the Utah DMV will be able to give a replacement vin number tag and change it to the KHGC.

Eric: Pics of the car can be seen here:

http://www.jdmlegends.com/sales/73skyline001.html


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Gabe: good luck with your adventure. The base car itself is (or was) in pretty good nick. It's a shame about the chequered past and the originally aussie owner, but hopefully you can get it re registered with the correct details.

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Now that is a nice car!
Shame somebody has been messing around with vins..

Good luck on getting it fxied Gabriel!

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Good luck getting that sorted Gabe. Let me know if i can do anything to lend a hand. I can vouch for the car, it is a great, solid car.


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