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 Post subject: County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:12 am 

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Basically, we just got ROYALLY FUCKED by our town. Here's the copied context from 7 club. Thanks.

Quick run down, most of the regulars already know this.. My wife & I have a collecting/hoarding problem/gift with these cars, and over 4-5 years have collected 28 cars. 6 first gens, 21 second, 1 Saturn SL2. We're in Pasco county, Florida, on 2.5 acres of land zoned "Estate Residential". This basically means we have property, but it's not far enough away from civilation/other home owners to be considered agricultural. Even then I think we'd be fucked anyway.

I was UNAWARE this could happen to us. Was told by numerous people we were fine, since we were out of the way of most people. These are people who I thought were knowledgeable, including even our realtor. That was our first requirement when purchasing a house, was the intent to store "a lot" of RX7s there, and that we not have any problems come about. Even our next door neighbor who's lived here 10 years said it wasn't a legal problem. And for that matter, we only have a neighbor on one side of us. The other 2 sides are forest, & behind us is a big block wall. I'm not blaming anybody but my self for not looking into it more/buying & being attached to all this bullshit, and the world for creating rules such as this. So I'd like to keep this thread free of any "oh you should retaliate by doing...." or "I be it was ... etc". I'm really just looking for solutions as I have ONLY 30 DAYS TO FIX THIS

Per our warning notice, and I can post any/all info that may help too, here's what it says:

Inoperative/Unlicensed Vehicles 106-54

Facts constituting the probable cause: multiple unlicensed & inoperative vehicles on property

Necessary Correction action to comply: License repair & make road worthy all inoperative & unlicensed vehicles

or store in an enclosed structure

or remove from property & dispose of properly.

If not corrected, there will be a $130 fine PER car, PLUS failure to comply within 30 days will result in the issuance of a citation to appear in court & may include fines up to $500 PER offense PLUS court costs. There will be a re-inspection at the 30 day mark.

I mean, this is as fucked up as it gets!!! But again just keep this thread to ADVICE ONLY. I don't need a bunch of people telling me how much it sucks, or how unfair etc.. I already know that.

Now for some facts. Of the 28 cars, 5 are registered. This is the Saturn, an 87 sport, 87 racecar, 88 T2 vert, & an 89 vert. So that already brings the removal needed count down to 22. Now, we have a steel garage that will enclose 3. So that's 19 cars that need to have action taken against them. The rest is where I'm unsure.

We have an enclosed porch that we could quickly mod to fit 3 cars on. I don't know if this will "count" as an enclosed structure. I also don't know if it will cause further problems such as being dropped from house insurance due to potential hazards. There's also a pole barn that's OPEN, but could be quickly enclosed to seal up another 6, or 12 if we built lifts/support structure to stack the cars. The barn came with the property, and was built WITHOUT permit. We're OK to have it there, since it was already there. But since it isn't actually up to code or anything like that, I don't know if they would grant us the permit to do the work to allow that to enclose the cars. We had also thought of doing it as cheaply as possible by just using great big tarps on it. A friend a county over got the same citing as me, and put up a temporary building of tarp/conduit framing which got him thru inspection. I called the code section of the GVT office, AT LEAST SIX times yesterday, and NO ONE could tell me shit!!! Was even put through to the guy that wrote the violation FOUR TIMES and he never once returned my call, which all went to voice mail & all had messages left. I mean this is seriously fucked. They want me to fix this, yet, I can't even get a hold of anyone to spec out my best option OF FIXING IT???

Lastly, there's a 2 car car port capable of housing 2 more cars, but, it's open as well so we're back to the same "is tarp OK" dilemma that exists for the pole barn.

So, worst case, I have 19 cars that need to GO in 30 days. They're not all shit kick cars either. There's an 84k mile 10th AE. A 1 owner ALL ORIGINAL down to the batt box lid 101K GTUs. 2 sports. 2 T2s. Other various not-so-desirable but not seen any longer cars that would break my heart to get rid of. FFS, my goal for the past 10 years (I'm only 26) was to get a good paying job so I could own a bunch of RX7s. This didn't just happen, these cars really do mean a LOT to me, much more so than most, hell even more so than a lot of people on this forum I'm sure.

ALSO! A good 5 or so vehicles are stored here for friends, so those will all quickly vanish making the lot size look shrunken a tiny bit, atleast. From some advice, we're HOPING & CROSSING FINGERS that by making "progress" by clearing those ones out right away, & making an actual effort, they'll grant us an extension longer than 30 god damn days.

Back to the 19 cars, a friend has offered to tow em up to his house for me w/ his truck & trailer, for the cost of fuel ($40 each car, he's a good ways away. Also a mazda guy). Obviously we're not gonna unload him 19 cars, we'd have to sell off what's not as valuable/loved to me, and have him take up the rest. In the mean time, our plan was to pull permits to build the biggest, yet cheapest & hurricane-proof garage, until we can get everything back home & into the garage. But this is where I can't decide.. This is asinine, taking cars OFF MY PROPERTY to build a building only to bring them back?? At what point is the financial burden & stress NOT worth it? I would like to eventually become self employed, and having to "raise" 27 kids (we do not have any human kids, and do not want/will not have any) along the way sure as shit isn't helping that.

At the same time, look how scarce these cars have become. You hardly ever see them in salvage yards any longer. Here's a stash big enough plus spare parts, for her & I to drive RX7s for atleast our whole lifetime. And it's VANISHING. So for that point, and yes we worked hard as hell to amass this, I kinda want to keep them. I'm literally stuck between 2 decisions that are time sensitve and I can't choose which.

That all said, if anyone can help & I know it's a long read I would totally appreciate it. More than you think.

Here's some pictures of the heard for ref.

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the 2 car carport as mentioned above. saturn, 79, rebecca's beloved sapphire blue 88 vert (repainted, plans to fix etc etc etc, that may now never even fucking happen), rebeccas DD 87 sport

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Shot looking toward garage. 83 & 89 in garage. Black vert reg'd. red T2 shell, hard top man rack base shell, race car w/ coils cage etc 85 S w/ GSLSE suspension, more bases, sports undercover etc

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2 GSLs an 83 & 84, both in those HOT 80s color combos: gold w/ tan(mustard) leather, beige w/ brown. Both all original down to stock radios. Gold only a 76k 2 owner car. 84K 10AE, T2 megasquirted vert, 88 SE w/ T2 swap, 5 lug, aero, louvs. GTUs.

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Another shot of barn. Pardon the finger I was blocking a mondo glare from the sun

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More junk. Some friends cars (FD, bmw, truck. 2 FCs)

Again thank you to anyone who can offer any advice, & more so, advice that saves our asses.

Landon & Rebecca

TL;DR: young crazy married couple find a passion together of mazda rx7s. Collect 27 rotary cars, about 75% bought to keep out of the junkyard/saved, only to have the god damn county order them all removed. Only have 30 days to work with it, Currently unable to obtain ANY additional info from county. Seeking advice what to do, do NOT want stray comments/advice (kill em all, sign up neighbors for gay porno mags, FARK the GVT & don't do anything, etc). Only looking for ADVICE.

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 Post subject: Re: County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2014 7:31 am 

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As you said your in a pickle. Either way your spending some $$ to sort this so.. Quickly hunt for a big shed or storage warehouse for a short term lease get the cars out and hidden, maybe sell a couple to get some cash to pay the lease or build a big ass shed on your property and bring em home. If they mean as much as you say, put a plan in action and balls on the line to save em, yes it's easy to say it but this could be the only time you ever have to do this. Once you got them in a shed it's all good. :tu: if I lived near by I'd be up there looking to poach a bargain! 8) Goodluck.


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 Post subject: Re: County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:24 am 
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I dont have any advice to offer, but im amazed that you cant have what ever you like on your own property, in whats supposed to be a free country.

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 Post subject: Re: County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:49 am 

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Free county or not, most cities counties, states have laws that prohibit the storage of multiple vehicles. Looks like you have quite a bit of land I would not have thought there would be an issue, though you have a lot of cars. If your cars are not visible from a road chances are a neighbor complained. You could possible get out of your lone, based on what the realtor told you as they should/ and have to be well versed on your local laws for such maters.

In most areas you would have to pursue proper permitting or re zoning. So you may be able to get some kind of collector car or museum permit, or a wrecker permit. But if you are able to get a wrecker permit there are probably a lot of "updates" you would have to do to the land to insure proper storage and limited effects to the environment. You also may be able to get some kind of business license or have your property re zoned for such. Either way it is going to be a PITA and a process.

If you can the easiest way would be to build a metal out building to house them all in away from view.


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 Post subject: Re: County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:33 am 
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Another option is some of those portable car ports(found for around 200 bucks).

I think tarp would work also, or maybe consider adding a little more to the barn. With some creative additions to it you may be able to hide all the cars there based on its space now.

But you need to get more info from the county first as this is all speculation.

In my experience, the people that come investigate end up being slackers and do quick checks and leave, so a temp storage could work(tarps).

For now, I would close off the metal car port and see if you can extend the open ends to have an "extended wall" where you can place a car side ways on the front and back of it.

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 Post subject: Re: County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:38 am 
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Maybe the pic makes it seem bigger, but to me it looks like you could fit 3 cars where 2 currently sit. Tight yes, but works for now. Then place a car or 2 long ways on each end and build a wall to enclose it.

My thoughts are cram a lot of the less concerning ones as tight as possible as they will probably sit for a bit anyway. Then maybe come up with a cheap solution to properly house the ones you really care about.

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 Post subject: Re: County Code/Ordinance Violation HELP NEEDED ASAP
PostPosted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:04 pm 

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I wonder if there's a way to get them classified as "parts". What would the violation be if you had rows of engines and axles on your property?

Some sneaky people in the past have imported Skylines cut in two as automotive parts and welded them back together with a bogus VIN. That's obviously shady and if there was a way to get them reclassified as such it would probably be difficult to get them registered and titled as vehicles again.


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