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 Post subject: N360 on dyno, DOHC head
PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:10 pm 
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This modded 360 sounds quite healthy, i hope my 600 will one day soon too.

and one know where the dohc heads come from? im thinking they are suzuki.


heres all the twin cam 600 engines i can find, ive done hrs of research and cant find any leads, the best i found was a collection of kei car racer pictures that had these heads but all the japanese scripture was useless to me as i cant read it. I beleive its a kawasaki Ninja head, but which one?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:11 pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZLVNnBJx18



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:12 pm 
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heres the video owner's blog, but its all in japanese


http://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/datsun_da/27994918.html

http://img.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/4f/f ... 27994918_3?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 5:57 pm 
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dam that's wicked ... :twisted:


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 8:12 pm 
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that is AMAZING.. :) i would love that for my Z.. when i get it..


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2009 10:41 pm 
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ok guys i caught a break, the heards are the rear head of a '84-07 Yamaha Vmax 1200 V4


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Wow.Does it fit without much modification.Thats simply amazing :shock:


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 10:02 am 
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i dont know, obviously a longer chain and a different ignition system , see the gasket overlay comparison, its pretty far off. im going to get a cheap head and try it out, i have access to a machine shop if i doesnt


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 11:15 am 
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this is how the headless vmax looks, the studs are evenly spaced unlike the n engine


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2009 3:46 pm 

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I wonder how long the crankshaft will hold up under this type of set up?


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I was looking on ebay, I think they are using the front head. If you notice on the picture of the Vmax block it has a banjo fitting oil line setup. On the front head that banjo fitting is to the back. It appears in the pictures above that the n360 is using the front head.

I bet the crank shaft would be pretty pissed after a little while.

I am curious as to what the power out put was? That car seemed to pull through the gears awfully quick. I wonder if he is using the tn360 final drive? I think its the tn360 or the n360 station wagon thing that has the shorter final drive. Or in all actuality I wonder if he has a custom final. Also did anyone notice that it looks like he is using different jugs? The fins are much longer all around the bore center.


Also looking at the gasket overlay I am wondering how they are getting oil to the head, how the head bolts align, and if they are filling in the coolant cavities to make use of more head surface.

Actually though, now looking at the pictures again I bet that the jugs are custom. I bet they are made to be an "adapter" style jug so that they align with the head bolts to hold the jugs on the block, then I bet the top of the jugs are drilled to match the head bolt style of the Yamaha head, and use the Yamaha head gasket.

If there was someone over there making the jugs and we could buy them it would be a "bolt on." There are several people over in Japan running this set up on 360-400cc engines. I don't know if it would really be worth putting this head on a 600cc. The 360 and 400 rev so high I bet it really does a wonder for them. Regardless though I bet it would still do pretty well on a 600.

Good find on the video! :wink:


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:07 am 

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http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/06/05/gallery-gt-gt-spoon-honda-n360-packaging.aspx


I found this a few months back, had to find it again to link it :tu: [/url]

http://noriyaro.com/?p=3230


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2010 1:12 am 
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from what i see on ebay heads it appears to be a rear head.

i really want to get to the bottom of the details on this conversion. im about to pull the trigger and buy a head off ebay, but after studying the gasket lay up and stud placement i dont se how i can work without the custom barrels

these are pics from when i had the head off my z, i bent a valve while timing it and the local machine shop modified a newer honda b series valve i think to work, anyways look at the picture with the gasket overlaying the v max head, nothing lines up, that gasket doesnt even look like it would fit the 600 pattern either


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and its hard to see the barrel on this one, there is a electric fan shrouding. i guess they dont run water through the water cooled head either. that would really help keep the heat out

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did anyone get anywhere with this?


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PostPosted: Wed May 12, 2010 12:50 am 
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i stopped my research, ive decided not to go that intense with hot rodding my z600 engine and instead go with a cbr1000 swap after the 600 explodes from boost

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From the picture the only thing thats boosting is the heat exchanger, you will be warm this winter. :D

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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 9:34 am 

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that looks like a bit of a weapon there.. how are you going to run turbo with carb? have you changed tthe pistons?

ive been wondering about hooking up some kind of supercharger running off the fan pulley, but only wondering.. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri May 14, 2010 8:25 pm 

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Hope you have a mean meth injection set up. :lol:


I have already broken ground on my 1000rr swap :)

Are you planning for a front engine or rear engine swap?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 08, 2010 1:16 am 
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Hi again, i have not gotten far, not for lack of trying though. i purchased a '87 cbr1000 engine, i had a bad feeling about it and was right, it was siezed solid, all junk but it was only $140. but i did find out the cbr engine is MUCH larger than i anticipated. its about 21" cube. so without cutting and resessing the firewall the engine would protrue beyond the front bumper.

I wished to do a front engine rear drive swap. the car will remain a street car and i really dislike having a hot and loud engine sitting beside me. Im not sure where im going to end up in the way of engine swapping. maybe if a cbr 600 is smaller, but those have no torque or power down low.

otherwise ive been doing a little body and brake work, retrofitted a Miata master cylinder in it, the turbo is still just a static display.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2010 10:29 pm 
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The bike engine transplant into a Honda 600 sure intrigues me as well. I have two N's with no engines. There is not a lot of room. I'd really like to try. Does anyone know if it's been done?

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