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 Post subject: Concept cars I wish had gone into production
PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:53 am 
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Companies show great concept cars, generate a lot of interest and then don't build them. What's up with that? Here are a few I wish had gone into production.

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1954 Chevrolet Corvette Corvair. Yes, it was called the Corvair 5 years before the more familiar rear-engined air-cooled Corvair came out. The C1 Corvette was only available as a roadster without roll up windows. A fastback Corvette would have been more practical, but still fun (if it had been introduced in 1955 so it would have gotten the 265 V-8 and a 4-speed manual.)

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1959 Porsche 754 Typ T7. Porsche started working on a replacement for the 356 as early as 1956. The 754 was built to investigate the idea of a true 4-seater Porsche. The styling was by Butzi Porsche who designed the 911 a few years later. The front end is almost identical to the 911. Ferry Porsche decided he wasn't prepared to enter the sedan market, so it never went into production. It's a shame, because I think it's a sexy little sedan and it could have been very successful with people looking for a little more interior room.

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1998 Plymouth Pronto Spyder. I've always loved the look of this little mid-engined sports car. Unfortunately, with Mercedes-Benz buying Chrysler, the Plymouth brand was shut down and the Pronto Spyder didn't stand a chance.

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2001 Suzuki GSX-R/4. What a great idea. Take the engine from a Suzuki GSX-R1, and then wrap the absolute minimum bodywork around it to carry two people. Plenty of power and it weighs next to nothing. It's like a Japanese Super 7. What a great track tool it would have been.

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2003 Subaru B9 Scrambler. Why, Subaru? Why tease us with such a sexy little sports car and then not build it? You're so cruel.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:51 am 

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Ford GT90
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engine Quad Turbo V12
valvetrain DOHC 4 Valves / Cyl
displacement 5927 cc / 361.7 in³
bore 90.2 mm / 3.55 in
stroke 77.3 mm / 3.04 in
compression 8.0:1
power 536.9 kw / 720.0 bhp @ 6600 rpm
specific output 121.48 bhp per litre
bhp/weight bhp per tonne
torque 894.8 nm / 660.0 ft lbs @ 4750 rpm
body / frame Carbon Fibre & Fibreglass
driven wheels Mid Engine / RWD
front tires F 275/35ZR-18
rear tires R 355/30ZR-19
front brakes Vented Discs
f brake size x 328 mm / x 12.9 in
rear brakes Vented Discs
r brake size x 328 mm / x 12.9 in
front wheels F 45.7 x 50.8 cm / 18.0 x 20.0 in
rear wheels R 48.3 x 66.0 cm / 19.0 x 26.0 in
steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
weight 1451 kg / 3199 lbs
wheelbase 2946 mm / 116.0 in
front track 4470 mm / 176.0 in
width 1963 mm / 77.3 in
height 1140 mm / 44.9 in
transmission 5-Speed Manual
gear ratios :1
top speed 378.2 kph / 235.0 mph
0 - 60 mph 3.1 seconds
0 - 100 mph 6.2 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 10.9 seconds

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One car I ALWAYS liked was the 1984/1985 Nissan MID4..... talk about a super drift car :mrgreen: :tu:

I think it was the 1st Nissan car to have the HICAS system.

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MID4 YAY!

Holy hell, if Suzi came out with the GSX/R-4.... YUM YUM YUM YUM

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 6:21 pm 
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KresSlyda180 wrote:
One car I ALWAYS liked was the 1984/1985 Nissan MID4..... talk about a super drift car :mrgreen: :tu:


I was about to post the exact same thing. :P

I loved this car. So with they had actually put it into production. Always thought of it as a cheaper Ferrari 308... :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 8:08 am 
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datsunfreak wrote:
KresSlyda180 wrote:
One car I ALWAYS liked was the 1984/1985 Nissan MID4..... talk about a super drift car :mrgreen: :tu:


I was about to post the exact same thing. :P

I loved this car. So with they had actually put it into production. Always thought of it as a cheaper Ferrari 308... :mrgreen:

It actually looks more like a Ferrari 512 Boxer... the look it was trying to go for :wink:

Some more Mid4 eye candy:

<img src="http://www.conceptnissan.com/1980/1985_mid-4a.jpg">

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 3:52 pm 

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Ford GT90
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engine Quad Turbo V12
valvetrain DOHC 4 Valves / Cyl
displacement 5927 cc / 361.7 in³
bore 90.2 mm / 3.55 in
stroke 77.3 mm / 3.04 in
compression 8.0:1
power 536.9 kw / 720.0 bhp @ 6600 rpm
specific output 121.48 bhp per litre
bhp/weight bhp per tonne
torque 894.8 nm / 660.0 ft lbs @ 4750 rpm
body / frame Carbon Fibre & Fibreglass
driven wheels Mid Engine / RWD
front tires F 275/35ZR-18
rear tires R 355/30ZR-19
front brakes Vented Discs
f brake size x 328 mm / x 12.9 in
rear brakes Vented Discs
r brake size x 328 mm / x 12.9 in
front wheels F 45.7 x 50.8 cm / 18.0 x 20.0 in
rear wheels R 48.3 x 66.0 cm / 19.0 x 26.0 in
steering Rack & Pinion w/Power Assist
weight 1451 kg / 3199 lbs
wheelbase 2946 mm / 116.0 in
front track 4470 mm / 176.0 in
width 1963 mm / 77.3 in
height 1140 mm / 44.9 in
transmission 5-Speed Manual
gear ratios :1
top speed 378.2 kph / 235.0 mph
0 - 60 mph 3.1 seconds
0 - 100 mph 6.2 seconds
0 - 1/4 mile 10.9 seconds


this car has already been built. i think it's called bugatti sumfin :lol:
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2009 4:42 pm 
$$ Bottom line. What can be produced cheaply, and profit the company. Period.


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$$ Bottom line. What can be produced cheaply, and profit the company. Period.


The Bugatti Veyron sort of flies in the face of that logic, doesn't it? :P


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1959 Porsche 754 Typ T7. Porsche started working on a replacement for the 356 as early as 1956. The 754 was built to investigate the idea of a true 4-seater Porsche. The styling was by Butzi Porsche who designed the 911 a few years later. The front end is almost identical to the 911. Ferry Porsche decided he wasn't prepared to enter the sedan market, so it never went into production. It's a shame, because I think it's a sexy little sedan and it could have been very successful with people looking for a little more interior room.


The reason the front end is almost identical to the 911, is because this was the first prototype that eventually evolved into the 911 we know today.

BTW, isuzu owns you all...

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Mid engined 4.2L V8, wouldve eaten the GTR and NSX. IF they had built it...

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BTW, isuzu owns you all...


Yeah, Isuzu is so great.. that's why they went bankrupt, abandoned production in the US and stopped producing passenger cars in the late 90s(kept producing ONLY trucks and SUVs) due to very poor sales. BTW, aren't they already extinct? :P

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KresSlyda180 wrote:
F3ARED wrote:

BTW, isuzu owns you all...


Yeah, Isuzu is so great.. that's why they went bankrupt, abandoned production in the US and stopped producing passenger cars in the late 90s(kept producing ONLY trucks and SUVs) due to very poor sales. BTW, aren't they already extinct? :P


Isuzu never filed for bankruptcy.
Isuzu did tender an offer to buy Nissan Motors outright around 1996, when Nissan was in bankruptcy. The offer was denied by the Japanese government in favor of a French buyer.

Isuzu's North American distribution was severely limited by contractual obligations not to market or advertise their vehicles in markets that they might compete with the General Motors rebadged versions of their products. General Motors sold 360,000 Geo Spectrums, 280,000 Geo Storms, and 72,000 Buick/Opel Kadets in the US, all were made by Isuzu. Sales of these vehicles under the Isuzu name in the US was a very small fraction of those numbers, due to those marketing restrictions and a self imposed quota to keep GM happy. Three quarters of Isuzu's car production was being sold to GM for rebadging, and GM decided not to continue offering the Isuzu made cars (certainly not due to sales or popularity, because they outsold the Prizm which was continued). Isuzu made a difficult decision to stop making cars.

Isuzu bought itself back from GM in 2006.
GM declared bankruptcy in 2009.
Oldsmobile was phased out in 2005.
Hummer was sold to the Chinese.
Saturn's purchase by Penske fell through and it is no more.
Saab's purchase fell through and it is no more.
Is Pontiac still set to be phased out?
Chrysler was bought by Fiat.
Ford was not bailed out but now wants to renegotiate it's union contracts to compete with GM and Chrysler, who were bailed out.
Toyota just announced their sales numbers decreased, and they are closing 300 dealerships in Japan. Toyota's stock is down as a result of this news.
Isuzu stock is up 50% since the economic collapse.

In the grand scheme of who is whose b-tch, Isuzu ranks in the middle to bottom of the list, below GM, Chrysler, Ford, Toyota, and Nissan/Renault.

Several car makers choose not to sell their cars in the US. Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Seat, Citroen, Peugeot, MG, and Proton. Most of these companies are in good financial health. Meanwhile, the list of manufacturers selling cars in the US is also a list of companies teetering on the edge of doom and failure.


Back to the concept above, the 4200 R. That is a sister car to the Pontiac Banshee and Buick Wildcat. At one point it was rumored to have the F1 V12 mentioned in the other thread on this forum (not the COA, that one was the ceramic 16 valve I-4). The 4.2 liter 32 valve engine was the one seen on the show display. But the car was built at a time that manufacturers were more concerned with information connectivity than performance, and it was saddled with a PC computer, fax machine, pre-cell portable telephone, etc., and was meant to be a mobile office. Then again, I don;t remember the GT90 actually being an operable vehicle. The reality of concept vehicles is probably best ignored in favor of the fascinating shapes.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 1:53 pm 
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JT191 wrote:
KresSlyda180 wrote:
F3ARED wrote:

BTW, isuzu owns you all...


Yeah, Isuzu is so great.. that's why they went bankrupt, abandoned production in the US and stopped producing passenger cars in the late 90s(kept producing ONLY trucks and SUVs) due to very poor sales. BTW, aren't they already extinct? :P


Isuzu never filed for bankruptcy.
Isuzu did tender an offer to buy Nissan Motors outright around 1996, when Nissan was in bankruptcy. The offer was denied by the Japanese government in favor of a French buyer.

Isuzu's North American distribution was severely limited by contractual obligations not to market or advertise their vehicles in markets that they might compete with the General Motors rebadged versions of their products. General Motors sold 360,000 Geo Spectrums, 280,000 Geo Storms, and 72,000 Buick/Opel Kadets in the US, all were made by Isuzu. Sales of these vehicles under the Isuzu name in the US was a very small fraction of those numbers, due to those marketing restrictions and a self imposed quota to keep GM happy. Three quarters of Isuzu's car production was being sold to GM for rebadging, and GM decided not to continue offering the Isuzu made cars (certainly not due to sales or popularity, because they outsold the Prizm which was continued). Isuzu made a difficult decision to stop making cars.

Isuzu bought itself back from GM in 2006.
GM declared bankruptcy in 2009.
Oldsmobile was phased out in 2005.
Hummer was sold to the Chinese.
Saturn's purchase by Penske fell through and it is no more.
Saab's purchase fell through and it is no more.
Is Pontiac still set to be phased out?
Chrysler was bought by Fiat.
Ford was not bailed out but now wants to renegotiate it's union contracts to compete with GM and Chrysler, who were bailed out.
Toyota just announced their sales numbers decreased, and they are closing 300 dealerships in Japan. Toyota's stock is down as a result of this news.
Isuzu stock is up 50% since the economic collapse.

In the grand scheme of who is whose b-tch, Isuzu ranks in the middle to bottom of the list, below GM, Chrysler, Ford, Toyota, and Nissan/Renault.

Several car makers choose not to sell their cars in the US. Fiat, Lancia, Alfa Romeo, Seat, Citroen, Peugeot, MG, and Proton. Most of these companies are in good financial health. Meanwhile, the list of manufacturers selling cars in the US is also a list of companies teetering on the edge of doom and failure.


Back to the concept above, the 4200 R. That is a sister car to the Pontiac Banshee and Buick Wildcat. At one point it was rumored to have the F1 V12 mentioned in the other thread on this forum (not the COA, that one was the ceramic 16 valve I-4). The 4.2 liter 32 valve engine was the one seen on the show display. But the car was built at a time that manufacturers were more concerned with information connectivity than performance, and it was saddled with a PC computer, fax machine, pre-cell portable telephone, etc., and was meant to be a mobile office. Then again, I don;t remember the GT90 actually being an operable vehicle. The reality of concept vehicles is probably best ignored in favor of the fascinating shapes.

Since, you and me are both in the US.. we both know Isuzu no longer exists in America. I think the last automobile they sold in the US was the Axiom.

Although, I'm sure since pulling out of the US auto industry.. Isuzu is doing much better, along with, and the way that Renault, Peugot and Fiat are doing since ceasing production in the US. It seems like there is more a demand abroad than here.

Anyway, I would still take an 83-88 1st gen Impulse(Piazza), anyday, if it came around at a good price. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:41 pm 
A hybrid driveline in a sports car never made a huge ammount of sense to me due to it's lack of driver involvement,what with the CVT gearbox and all,but the easthetic qualities of the Toyota/Italdesign concept Alessandro Volta were to my eyes beyond words!
In a perfect world where I'm Supreme Overlord of Product Developement at Toyota,this would be put into production with the IS-F's engine and gearbox and a circle-L badge. :D
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Thanks JT191 because i couldnt be bothered typing most of that :D

Not many people know about just how badly GM strangled Isuzu...

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