265k track car!!! Datsun track car..not mine..

msb2tg · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:31 pm

Another nice Datsun..not mine..not affiliated..265k??? WTH??

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd/1887410522.html

Garant · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 12:37 pm

not worth a penny over 256k

cencalballer · **Posted:** Sun Aug 08, 2010 9:02 pm

its steal compared to the 911 rsr thats for sale locally. what do you drive im 10 mins away in ropo/petaluma

Rad2Ltr · **Posted:** Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:34 pm

Do you guys know the history of that car? Its a pretty important one in the history of the Z seeing as its either a single digit VIN or perhaps a pre-production car. There are many many things that are different on that car than any other one built. I've seen it in person and its not just a thrown together race car from the '70s. Its one of the few Datsuns ever allowed to race the Monterey Historics also.

Will

kev · **Posted:** Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:17 pm

Rad2Ltr wrote:

Its one of the few Datsuns ever allowed to race the Monterey Historics also.

x2

Eligibility for exclusive racing series makes quite a big diffence to an old racer's value. You could build a 240Z to the same spec for less, but if you can't enter the cool events you want, then you're screwed.

Garant · **Posted:** Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:49 pm

kev wrote:

Rad2Ltr wrote:

Its one of the few Datsuns ever allowed to race the Monterey Historics also.

x2

Eligibility for exclusive racing series makes quite a big diffence to an old racer's value. You could build a 240Z to the same spec for less, but if you can't enter the cool events you want, then you're screwed.

doubtless, but i don't think this is relevant to this car or the sale of this car at this price or the monterey historics, although the seller may want a prospective (wealthy) buyer to think otherwise

msb2tg · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:00 am

cencalballer wrote:

its steal compared to the 911 rsr thats for sale locally. what do you drive im 10 mins away in ropo/petaluma

cool..got a te27 but its out for resto work..

datsunboy · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:34 am

Rad2Ltr wrote:

its either a single digit VIN or perhaps a pre-production car.

I know nothing of the history of Zeds really, but how can that be true?
Since Zeds were introduced in 1969?
how can it be a "single digit VIN" or a pre-production car....if he has listed it as a 1974????

Go Baby Go · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:44 am

datsunboy wrote:

Rad2Ltr wrote:

its either a single digit VIN or perhaps a pre-production car.

I know nothing of the history of Zeds really, but how can that be true?
Since Zeds were introduced in 1969?
how can it be a "single digit VIN" or a pre-production car....if he has listed it as a 1974????

because according to his website he designed, constructed, and tested a Datsun 240Z prototype for the IMSA Camel GT Series.

datsunboy · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 1:44 pm

Go Baby Go wrote:

because according to his website he designed, constructed, and tested a Datsun 240Z prototype for the IMSA Camel GT Series.

thats doesnt go to say that this is that car.....it just says that he designed "a" prototype.....
also......he designed a prototype for the IMSA Camel GT series........all that says is that he designed a prototype race car for the series.....not that he designed the prototype of the actual Datsun 240Z.
so to design a prototype 240Z race car....first their had to be a 240Z to base it on........then theres also the thing that this car for sale is a "1974 model"....built by nissan 5 years after the first 240Z's

kyteler · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:12 pm

The dating is curious.

One third in to that blurb though Dan, it says; "The chassis of this car was the first 240Z imported to the United States in 1970"

Without seeing evidence of this, it's all word of mouth.

Believe me though man, you don't want to get into Z car battles with Americans (you'll just waste your breathe/finger dexterity). It was designed FOR them, don't you know!? :lol:

kyteler · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 2:21 pm

...seeing as I quite like wasting my breathe...

Is there anyone who has more direct history on this car? The blurb is to have us believe that it's still an L24 and it's producing 400hp? really?

A well tweaked stroker might get there but a well tweaked stroker also has another .7 (3.1), .8 (3.2), .9(3.3) litres over and above the 2.4.

Nismopunch · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:41 pm

tempted to go take a peak to see what the vin really shows on the car...seems a little fishy

Rad2Ltr · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:19 pm

Like I said, I have seen the car in person and a well known 510 and Z guy (Dennis Hale of NORCAL UFO) has gone over the car with a fine tooth comb. He states that there are a lot of differences between a normal Z and this. This car is a unique creature and is indeed a VERY early car.

As far as the 400 hp goes, I've seen the car run and its fast. It has more go than any other Z I have ever seen and it sounds fantastic. It wasn't a normal L24, its got something pretty special. I wish I could post the pics I had (lost them when my old computers hard drive failed.)

If you are in the South Bay, go and check the car out. Its a pretty awesome sight in person.

Will

datsunboy · **Posted:** Tue Aug 10, 2010 7:34 pm

Rad2Ltr wrote:

and is indeed a VERY early car

so what your really saying, is that when he names his own car as a 1974 model, that he is actually wrong? and that it therefore must be a 1969 model?

Rad2Ltr · **Posted:** Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:27 pm

1976 Brad Frisselle IMSA GT/U Championship car

In 1974, Frisselle made the decision to compete professionally. He formed a company and a racing team (Transcendental Racing) that designed, constructed, and tested a Datsun 240Z prototype for the IMSA Camel GT Series. In 1975, Brad had his first three professional victories and was awarded IMSA’s Most Improved Driver award, becoming the only man to win these coveted awards in both IMSA and the SCCA. Frisselle went on to win the IMSA GTU championship in 1976, in his team’s Datsun 240Z, scoring eight victories out of the eleven races that he entered. Brad soundly defeated the factory Datsun team as a privateer with his own team, Brad Frisselle Racing.

This car is the 1976 IMSA GT/U championship car. The chassis of this car was the first 240Z imported to the United States in 1970. Mac Tilton designed the suspension and built some of the specialized parts. The chassis, roll cage and body were all constructed by Dave Kent with assistance from Yoshi Suzuka. Yoshi was also responsible for the design of the aerodynamics on the car. John Knepp of Electramotive built the engine. After the car was finished Trevor Harris added his expertise in the development of the chassis and suspension. In the day this car was the most advanced and fastest GTU car racing in IMSA.

In the early 1990’s it was decided that a complete restoration was in order. Joe Cavaglieri the team’s original crew chief was chosen for the task. The car was stripped to bare metal and totally rebuilt from the ground up with all new components to exact 1976 specifications.

New molds for the Yoshi designed body were created and new panels made and fitted to the car (the molds are included with the car). The chassis and body were refinished in the team colors to a very high Concours standard. All suspension components were crack checked and totally restored. All new electronics, instruments, and wiring loom were installed. A new fuel cell, fuel lines, and pumps were also fitted.

The engine was completely rebuilt by the team’s original engine builder John Knepp and his assistant Don Reynolds. Using development parts from the NISSAN GTP program, modern electronics, and new piston and cam designs the engine produces 400hp. Cavaglieri and Walt Hoff rebuilt the rear end and transmission utilizing all new parts.

In the day the team was the one of the very best in IMSA, the preparation of the car was always at the highest level, more like that of a top Indy Car team than a GTU team. The restoration was done with that same mindset. The car is absolutely perfect both cosmetically and in performance. The fit and finish, attention to detail and superb craftsmanship exhibited in this restoration is spectacular.

Since the completion of the restoration the car has competed in the Mitty at Road Atlanta and the Monterey Historic Automobile Races plus two club events and one test day. It is currently in race ready and Concours condition.

IMSA GT/U (Grand Touring Under 2.5L)
1975 Season
Mid Ohio 2nd GTU (Pole Position)
Laguna Seca 2nd GTU
Mosport 1st GTU
Mid America 1st GTU
Talladega 1st GTU

1976 Season (IMSA GT/U Champion)
Road Atlanta 1st GTU 15 OA
Laguna Seca 2nd GTU 10 OA
Ontario 4th GTU 12 OA
Lime Rock 1st GTU 5 OA
Mid Ohio 1st GTU 5 OA
Daytona 250 1st GTU 9 OA
Sears Point 2nd GTU 9 OA
Talladega 1st GTU 5 OA
Pocono 1st GTU 5 OA
Road Atlanta 500 1st GTU 8 OA with John Morton
Daytona Final 1st GTU 10 OA

I think the car was under development for quite a while and then they got it right in '74.

Will

datsunboy · **Posted:** Wed Aug 11, 2010 4:48 pm

ah, so there it seems that it is in fact a 70 (or possibly 69) model....and his for sale blurb is wrong that it is a 74.

Rad2Ltr · **Posted:** Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:26 pm

With the amount of work that has gone into the car, they could be calling it a '74 because it was (re)built then. The suspension pick up points are different, the body has been altered in many ways. They could be calling it this way since it was built for the '74 season and much was changed from the stock form it had when it left Japan.

Will

city hunter · **Posted:** Thu Aug 26, 2010 1:49 am

for that price, I'd go buy a ex group b rally works car, or hell even the audi pikes peak hill climbcar, that set records for 2 straight years, maybe a lancia delta s4, ford rs200, 205 etc...

265k track car!!! Datsun track car..not mine..

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