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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 7:54 pm 
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[/quote] Hmmm...if only I'd perfected the design of that teleportation device. Alas...[/quote]

I have the tractor hydraulics and a 12volt amplifier that you were after to get that project started again.
Oh, and a generator from an EK Holden (1962).........Just thought it might help.

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Fri May 27, 2011 8:44 pm 
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31GUN wrote:
I have the tractor hydraulics and a 12volt amplifier that you were after to get that project started again.
Oh, and a generator from an EK Holden (1962).........Just thought it might help.

Those will help. Now all we need is a Delorean.

No hang on, that's for a different project...

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 9:05 am 

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for this project you'll need a skyline.

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2011 2:54 pm 
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kev wrote:
But of course if OS Giken were to agree to sponsor me, I could have my arm twisted to have a TC-24 engine in my car :lol: So in order of preference, in terms of driving character and personality, I reckon the best engines for my Hako are:

- TC24 L-series
- LY-headed L-series
- Regular L-series
- S20

First of all, apologies to interrupt thread.
Until maybe 6 months ago I had never even heard about O.S. Giken but now I am fascinated by their lack of capitalist policy.
For those that don´t know -
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..and..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LC_4J1MmRU

This truly is the "Holy Grail" in Datsun circles. So how come none of us can get an answer?
Did they make only nine or twenty?
Why don´t they put it in to production now? (Fortunes to be made)
Are they going to do another limited re-run?
Can somebody "in the know" start an OS Giken thread and inform the plebs?
Kev, you have been pretty lucky with sponsorship this far.
Lets make it happen.
(I accept no responsibility for this post as I have been "on the sauce" since getting smoked by a Nissan Patrol today).


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2011 7:13 pm 
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ToolZ wrote:
This truly is the "Holy Grail" in Datsun circles. So how come none of us can get an answer?
Did they make only nine or twenty?
Why don´t they put it in to production now? (Fortunes to be made)
Are they going to do another limited re-run?
Can somebody "in the know" start an OS Giken thread and inform the plebs?
Kev, you have been pretty lucky with sponsorship this far.
Lets make it happen.
(I accept no responsibility for this post as I have been "on the sauce" since getting smoked by a Nissan Patrol today).


Ok, I'll put up what I know about it, which might not be that much :) The TC24 head began development in the late 70s, and became available around 1980 I think. It did look like it had some features in common with the LY head and the S20 head, and was really, really expensive. Y1.2mil I think, which is like US$12,000 today, so imagine how expensive that was in real terms in the early 80s.

The number they made was very small, something along the lines of a dozen, but they were only intended to be a short-run. The moulds for the castings were mostly made of carved wood, and so you would only get a few goes out of the moulds before they were ruined, and OS Giken were never in a position to churn out lots and lots of them, they were made with low-production techniques and presumbly needed plenty of hand finishing afterwards, which all adds to the significant cost.

Why can't they start re-making them? Well over the years, plenty of interested parties have offered money to OS Giken for new TC24 heads, and OS-G have always said that the cost would be prohibitive, since thet would be more or less starting from scratch. The old moulds were unusable, so it's not like OS-G could just flick a switch and new TC24s would start rolling out of a machine and down a conveyor belt (if only) :)

More recently, it seems that OS-G has put out the word that they'd entertain offers for more TC24s, and I've heard rumours of a US$30,000 per head cost, but I can't confirm if that was originally from the horse's mouth. Last year, I was shown photos of TC24 castings sitting on a bench, which were supposedly a recent picture. In the pic, you can see 5 raw TC24 head castings. I dunno if they ever made it into completed heads and were sold into the Japanese market. And I certainly don't know if OS-G is in any position to crank out some more, but given the displayed TC24 head at SEMA last year, I would think that they probably are. Given the depressed state of the aftermarket industry in Japan right now, it would certainly help, but you would understand that OS-G would want to rack up a certain number of confirmed and prepaid orders first.

As for a sponsorship, if anyone from OS Giken is reading this, I can be reached via PM :lol: but given the likely exotic pricetag, I would reckon that any new TC24s would just be for realy big-dollar builds, and OS Giken would just be wanting to shift a handful more, not a heap more.

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:42 am 
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Thanks for information.
It does seem to be unobtainium then.....
Still, there is always the "mad genius" route -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDCfZUIM ... re=related


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Thu Jun 02, 2011 1:20 am 

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Giken has decided to make the a short batch of these heads again. A guy on the auszcar.com forums has order one.

Here is a link to the thread and has some good info also

http://www.viczcar.com/forum/index.php/ ... 235.0.html


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 10:16 pm 
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So today, I happened to have a chat with the aussie OS Giken distributor :)

All the info is in Chartoo's link, but he confirmed that the TC24 castings in this pic:
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...are actually old castings from the original batch in the early 80s, and were lying around in the OS-G warehouse. However, that's all there is. There's no cam covers, timing covers, camshafts, valves, manifolds, valve train, etc. So only Part #1 of a 100-part kit is in this picture. And yes they are making some more, but every single part has to be made, and so it's time consuming. But they are taking the opportunity to update the TC24 for more modern thinking on cylinder head design, and so it should be a cracker.

Pricing? Ok....you sitting down? No seriously. Grab a chair and sit down :)

The head will be Y3.3mil, or about US$42,000 before shipping and taxes. As an option, you can specify an OS Giken 3.2 stroker kit, and the whole lot will come as a crate motor with IRTBs and headers. It will be safe to 11,000rpm and make 400hp. But you will need Y7.2mil or US$90,000 plus shipping and taxes :D

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Fri Jun 03, 2011 11:47 pm 
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kev wrote:
The head will be Y3.3mil, or about US$42,000 before shipping and taxes. As an option, you can specify an OS Giken 3.2 stroker kit, and the whole lot will come as a crate motor with IRTBs and headers. It will be safe to 11,000rpm and make 400hp. But you will need Y7.2mil or US$90,000 plus shipping and taxes


Ok, I have been counting and counting and counting again but it looks like I just don´t have enough kidneys.


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:46 am 
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We'd pretty much have to sell everyone's kidneys :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:28 am 
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kev wrote:
We'd pretty much have to sell everyone's kidneys :lol:


or get us some of those pills they're on..... :shock:


Are they something we'd do anything for? Yep, but 90 grand???? Sheesh.......

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:43 am 
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Their 3.2L stroker kit for the RB26 is US$18k alone: http://www.osgiken.co.jp/pro_spec/rb30kit.html

And I would figure that they would sell a lot more RB kits than they would for L-series, so there wouldn't be the same economies of scale....then add the TC24 head, then the prepped block, then the labour for blueprinting it all...

It all adds up, but for the big dollar builds where nothin but the best will do, what else is there :)?

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:53 am 
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I'm sure i can find something for say..... $89 grand..... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 5:57 am 
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Yes but for $89 grand will it rev to 11,000rpm :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:00 am 
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If it didn't there'd have been change to build another one that did..... :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 3:57 pm 

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A full race engine, making 400 naturally aspirated horsepower from 3.2L in a 50 year old block, built with top-name and period-correct parts? Plus guaranteed single-figures exclusivity? Sounds a very reasonable price to me.


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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:00 pm 
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A full race engine, making 400 naturally aspirated horsepower from 3.2L in a 50 year old block, built with top-name and period-correct parts? Plus guaranteed single-figures exclusivity? Sounds a very reasonable price to me.

I like it! If I had $100K burning a hole in my pocket, or a use it or loose it (and I already had all the toys that I wanted) I'd be dumb enough to spend the $ on it. I'd then go out and build a Z or a Skyline that was equally outrageous 8)

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:09 pm 

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so have you done anything to the hako recently?
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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:15 pm 
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dchil15 wrote:
so have you done anything to the hako recently?
dchil15

No, not since the last instalment.

But I got some special axles coming from Beta Motorsport, and an LSD too. So when all the parts arrive I'll do an update for the LSD install and resultant skids.

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 Post subject: Re: JNC Project Hakosuka Build Thread
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2011 6:50 am 
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ooo that'll be a good read :D

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