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    Report: Clunkers Program Leaves Dirtiest Cars On the Road

    This killed me. NPR ran something yesterday complaining that pre 1984 cars, the "dirtiest cars", were still on the road because Cash For Clunkers doesn't accept them. They actually used the example of a 1981 Datsun (they didn't specify the model, I presume the host couldn't even recognize 1981 Datsun if you showed her one to begin with) as a car that would still be polluting and can't be traded in, and made the comment of "I would argue a 1981 Datsun is not exactly a classic car."

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... 11&sc=emaf

    Listen to the piece, it's only about 3 minutes long. Or, I see now that they have a transcript of it.

    I need to stop listening to NPR at work, hearing this really T'd me off. I probably shouldn't worry at all, but... it really ticked me off. :lol:

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    Re: Report: Clunkers Program Leaves Dirtiest Cars On the Roa

    Quote Originally Posted by Stationwagonguy
    This killed me. NPR ran something yesterday complaining that pre 1984 cars, the "dirtiest cars", were still on the road because Cash For Clunkers doesn't accept them.
    Diversity.
    Idealistic public definition: Accepting of all ideas and beliefs from all peoples.
    Operational definition: You must accept and respect my ideas and beliefs, but if you disagree with me, I can disrespect and reject your ideas and beliefs by simply defining you as a narrow minded bigot.

    NPR is a good example of this. Car enthusiasts are not to be respected. They are not part of the nation and not part of the public, and certainly will not be catered to on their radio station.

    But what is more astounding is the lack of research and fact checking in the comments by the NPR broadcaster's comments:

    Formaldehyde is a byproduct of catalytic converters. Cars without catalytic converters do not produce formaldehyde from the tailpipe, the produce water, carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, and NOX. Formaldehyde is a major carcinogen, a primary ingredient in smog, and smog increased in LA after implementation of catalytic converters on cars. A well tuned car will pass a tailpipe test without a catalytic converter. The use of these devices on fuel injected cars is only as a redundancy to compensate for the expectation that the owner will not properly maintain the vehicle.

    4.8 million 1984 cars with active registrations? We already covered peak US sales of 17 million cars in 2007. If US News is correct on 17 million in 2007, how could the number be half that in 1984? And what an amazing survival rate for cars from 1984? But more importantly, what is the percentage of 1984 cars remaining on the road, compared to the total number of 1985-2009 cars?

    Now, if they want to cover something important, why not tell us what the fuel consumption and pollution rate is on a Honda Prius, with an NPR bumper sticker, being driven by a 350 pound woman, in the far left or fast lane, at a rate of 85 MPH. My understanding was that conservation and environmentalism only works if the vehicle is operated in a slow manner without hauling an excessive amount of weight.

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    It just goes to show that the average person has no clue what a classic car can be. I should write to them and plug JNC at the same time

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    God, reading the comments to that story there's at least one self-proclaimed classic car hobbyists that say there are no cars built after 1972 that can be considered a classic. :roll:

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    So my 1981 B310 is a classic now? SWEEEET!!!

    Strange that my "dirty" old car runs visibly cleaner than a lot of the more modern cars on the road here while also using less fuel. I see cars about 15 years younger than mine belching white or black smoke out the exhaust quite regularly. But hey my classic must be "dirtier" than those cars. :roll:

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    Man, I just made some comment some other "clunkers" thread that this stuff doesn't affect me. Now I need to choke someone.

    You wanna take away my Starlet that gets nearly 50 mpg huh?
    (don't really have one; hypothetical)

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    :roll: I wish they never came up with that cash for clunkers bill....

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    Re: Report: Clunkers Program Leaves Dirtiest Cars On the Roa

    Quote Originally Posted by JT191
    Now, if they want to cover something important, why not tell us what the fuel consumption and pollution rate is on a Honda Prius, with an NPR bumper sticker, being driven by a 350 pound woman, in the far left or fast lane, at a rate of 85 MPH...
    Or tell us that it takes 18-20 months of ownership of a Prius just to offset the pollution generated by the production of the car itself? Or that the extra money you pay for a Prius over a Corolla takes over 3 years to recoup in gas costs? Or that a TDI Golf/Jetta gets much better mileage than a Prius and is cheaper? Not so much...

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    ...My honest truth?

    I've been leary of/avoiding posting on, or even reading up on car forums in general, because I know that I'm in the minority of the classic car enthusiast population in general, and that reading the typical classic car enthusiast's stance on all of this will just make me mad, and want to argue.

    ...IMO, as long as cash for clunkers kills at least as many ridiculous trucks and SUVs as it does cars which can even remotely be defined as "cool", it's worth it :mrgreen:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dachshund
    ...IMO, as long as cash for clunkers kills at least as many ridiculous trucks and SUVs as it does cars which can even remotely be defined as "cool", it's worth it :mrgreen:
    While at a local dealer today I looked at the CFC cars on the back lot and it was 98% early 90s SUVs.

    I was okay with it. :P

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