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Thread: The new 'Butcher your classic car' trend.

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    The new 'Butcher your classic car' trend.

    It seems I have ruffled some feathers on the speedhunters site, but I couldn't help it. I have been branded a 'hater' and tossed aside to die a lonely "trash talk lady". If anyone on here knows of me, I'm a pretty easy going fellow. So I would like to bring this to the JNC table to see how all you folks feel about this new trend that speedhunters is glamorizing.

    Last month an S2000 with nothing more then wheel spacers and a missing rear bumper took 'the favorite' at the Hellaflush car meet by the speedhunters reporter. I thought this was ridiculous comparing it to some of the incredible looking cars at this meet. Speedhunters is pushing some sort of art house movement. Praising the spirit, mood, and attitude while all they are looking at is a ball of yarn on a dinner plate.

    Yesterday a post was made about an AE86 that has been hellishly tin snipped to death in order to achieve a type of battered rebel look. I made argument that I can respect a car that is naturally beaten, but when a cars build focus is to look like trash, that's when I loose respect, especially when it's a breed of classic. If work is slow like it is here, read through the comments and pictures and report back your feelings.

    Here is yesterdays link (AE86)
    http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009...rat-rolla.aspx

    Here is the Bumperless S2000 masterpiece!
    http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009...lush-meet.aspx

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    Me personally, I don't "get" rat-rods that look like they're about to fall apart, nor do I get drift damage as a style statement, nor do I get VWs that have cosmetic rust...

    But...I do understand that the modified car scene tends to get a bit samey after a while (eg 99% of all Hakos look the same!) and so I do understand when ppl get all excited over a car that is deliberately different from the crowd.

    ps. I really didn't like that AE86 either But is it all that different from a bosozoku style, where for all intents and purposes, the base car is completely ruined by all those silly add-ons? I mean...we like those, and we get the joke when we see 1981 Soarers with 5ft tall vertical tailpipes
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    IDK. I like haggard looking cars, but I agree, I like naturally haggard cars.

    I hate to admit it, but I do like the bumperless S2000. But, I hate S2000s, so it just goes full circle. I did drive my mother's Ford Five Hundred for a few weeks without a front bumper cover and ziptied together up front, and actually liked the way it looked, but it's such a dullbox to begin with.

    The AE86 is way too much. If had something haggard, I'd probably mess with it myself, but I agree that one crossed the tacky line way back. I do like the girl in the photo on the dash though. :lol:

    I like the idea of Mad-Max-esque cars, cars put together with whatever is there because there's nothing else (well, in the film world). I can respect the AE86 for that, but cutting the fender in half? What exactly was that for?

    I like parts of that AE86... but as a whole, no.

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    I will also say favorites can be subjective and it's hard to put reasons for a car being a favorite into perspective for others sometimes.

    For instance, I was at a Hot Rod power tour event on Tuesday at Metro beach... and out of the hundreds of cars I looked at, my favorite was a haggard Pinto that was blue with yellow doors, a green fender, and a primer hood, no bumpers, a sticker that said "Don't drink and park:Accidents cause people" and one that said "This Delinquent is Fucking Your Honor Student". It also had some huge drag radials in back and skinnies in front on flat black wheels, no bumpers, and a pretty serious intercooler in front. But it was still way trashy looking (nowhere near as bad as that AE86), and among all the show cars there, that Pinto was the car that caught my fancy most.

    I also want to say that I do love your Z. :mrgreen:

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    I don't understand making a decent looking, decent working car into a rat rod. IMO that AE86 is a waste of a perfectly good car. Here in Florida, especially where I am, so close to the beach, cars rust... I mean serious rust. I personally like the look of the black primered datsun 620s and other JNCs, but what makes me like these cars is the fact that the black primer and wide whites actually improves the car. When you take a rusted-out bomber, get it running and rattle can it black, thats cool in my opinion, but when you take a minorly damaged car and make it worse, (sheet metal spoilers and pop rivits?!) thats just a waste.

    The rat rod look was bred from necessity, when some kid says "hmm... I have a 37 chevy truck cab, a 40 ford frame and an old buick V8 in my side yard, lets see what we can make out of those", thats how a rat rod is formed, and I've found that the best looking rat rod is usually the cheapest car at the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kev

    ps. I really didn't like that AE86 either But is it all that different from a bosozoku style, where for all intents and purposes, the base car is completely ruined by all those silly add-ons? I mean...we like those, and we get the joke when we see 1981 Soarers with 5ft tall vertical tailpipes
    Kev,

    Good points. I see what you mean about the bosozoku rides but I still see a difference here. As funny looking and extreme the boso cars are, they are at least built to some kind of higher standard (don't laugh). Most of them built with sheet metal and some noticeable craftsmanship, as silly as that sounds. They didn't just cut through they're fender and pull on it, or glue a house gutter to the side of the car. Boso put time and effort into their silly builds. lol.

    Jabco said it perfectly about how a true rat-rod is formed, " "hmm... I have a 37 chevy truck cab, a 40 ford frame and an old buick V8 in my side yard, lets see what we can make out of those". That is what rat-rods are about, not hacking up your $1000 purchase into jagged shrapnel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sr-FairladyZ
    Jabco said it perfectly about how a true rat-rod is formed, " "hmm... I have a 37 chevy truck cab, a 40 ford frame and an old buick V8 in my side yard, lets see what we can make out of those". That is what rat-rods are about, not hacking up your $1000 purchase into jagged shrapnel.
    I thought rat-rods were supposed to make a statement something like "I'm going modify and tune the performance of my vehicle without concern for having shiny paint or being worried about some rust, because it's for using and driving, not polishing."

    I get a little confused by some of the forced modifications, like drilling holes and stitching with barbed wire to make it look like a body panel has been sewn on. That gets into faux modifying.

    And the whole style does not lend itself well to cars with plastic bumpers, unibody construction, and lots of synthetic parts. Those cars don't decompose gracefully like the older cars, and that decomposition is part of the look of a rat-rod.

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    i personally hate that ae86. and i love all old toyotas!ok for battle damaged ae86s thats fine. you messed up a drift it hit something but you can still rock it THATS FINE. if you purposefully cut up a old toyota for no purpose then that is not a person id like to be friends with or associate with. with our old cars its hard to find more of them let alone good condition ones! plus speedhunters has gone down hill ever since antonio alvendia has stopped posting up articles. he would have had something to say about his hachi's condition. i still enjoy when mike garret posts up stuff but most others i dont enjoy there articles anymore

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    I agree with the points made above...if you have a rusty car and do your best to make it safe, then fine. But if you start off with a good car and make it rusty on purpose...
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    Can't say I see what's so amazing about a S2000 with a missing bumper. I guess in that case it is something different cuz ther owner liked it that way and basically said, "F**k it I'll keep it that way." Nothing wrong with that to me. Props to the guy for not getting worried over a bumper.

    The AE86 is just too much though. It's like the owner is trying too hard and is just makes the car come off as lame and tacky. I can understand the cable ties, rivets and damage since it's apparently a drift car, but come on, cutting a fender in half? That's a little too much for me. :roll:

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