Thanks for your reply. I have no issues with you at personal level, and no quarrel whatsoever.
No worries about a can of worms. We are here to talk cars and exhange points of view. Unlike others, I am not here to react at or to walk around bushes, I am here to find cool inteligent people that like to interact in this issue of cars we like so much.
I hear your point, and it seems you got mine too, so we are on the same page. Let’s root for a nice car show and hope feedback is getting to the right places.
Take care.

Jaime.

Sorry if I opened up a can of worms. My comments weren’t directed at you specifical, but at criticisms in general. I guess some of the comments that were left here just hit a nerve with me, so I spoke up. Constructive criticism and new ideas and suggestions are always welcome. However, over the years I’ve heard too many criticisms first hand from people that get PO’d if an organizer does’t take the criticism and do something with it. “The voting was rigged” “I didn’t win an award” “It was too dusty” “They didn’t let me leave early” “The food sucked” You get the idea…

Like many people here, I’ve known the organizers since they were just selling goods at various shows some ten years ago. I’ve also been a part of Toyotafest for many years and I firsthand know what is involved in organizing a show and making the best of whats availalbe. Many factors have to be considered, and one of the major issues is always funding. It’s hard to have a show in the ideal location, when you can’t afford it. Once a location is set, it’s time to make the most of it and hopefully do a good job of making the show happen without any hitches – not always easy. Being a part of many shows, it’s always a bummer to hear ‘critical’ criticisms from people that have no idea what it took to pull of the show. However, we learn from our experiences and try to improve upon them.

In regards to the venue and the conditions at Hidden Valley, the organizers were well aware of the dust issue and problems with the entry immediately after the show. However, (at the time) they were also already locked into having the show there the following year (2009). Some of these things will hopefully be addressed but in many ways are out of the hands for them to control.

So, I can accept your criticism of the conditions (the dust, and the entry), but please don’t ‘not attend’ just because of that. Heck, I disagree with a lot of things about JCCS and
Tfest too – a lot of things I would do different, but I’m not running the show, so I accept what is offered, and I still come back year after year. Finally I might suggest that if people have suggestions, they should get in touch with the organizers directly and let them know their concerns.

Anyways, hope to see you at at JCCS.

You said: “People don’t realize the difficulty and complexity that goes into putting on a show like this. Just remember that JCCS is THE show of shows (*cough* what happened to Motoring J-Style this year? *cough*). Props go to the organizers T&K for all their hard work & effort”.

That was not the point of my criticism. I understand and appreciate the effort in materializing a car show like this one. I am talking about the entrance/exit road to the venue itself. Those are two different aspects of the same car show. Criticizing a low point in an event is not a bad thing nor it means that I am not appreciating the effort involved. There is always place for improvement. Constructive criticism is called feedback, and that helps organizers of any event learn what is that the public sees as wrong.
In specific, I am talking about the entrance to the lot, which is a terrible entrance. Seems like the idea here is shut down any criticism. Doing that instead of looking for a solution, or exchange ideas about how to overcome the problem will not take care of the problem. Some , it appears, think that nobody should dare offer any feedback nor any opinions about problems with the event itself, because instead of criticizing, we should be thankfull there is an event. Well, I do not agree with that premisse. One thing has nothing to do with the other, an individual can appreciate the organization and the effort displayed, and at the same time, like any inteligent adult, that individual can point at the problem( s ) exhibited.
Yes, I appreciate the effort in materializing this show, but I do not find the entrance appropriate for vehicles that are coming to this show, these are 2 separate issues.
I hope it does not rain on the show day. Then it will be too late to do anything about it. Then people will begin to think about the issue, but it will be too late.
You can be proactive, or reactive. I will leave it to the organizers, after all , it is their responsability.

and also the dudes at JNC!!!!

much love for yall!!!

what did happen to motoring J-style?

exactamundo toyotageek!!!!

pre85(i thought pre86 for sum damn reason)