Comments on: Nostalgics Under Attack Again from CA Bill http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/ The official blog of Japanese Nostalgic Car magazine Tue, 16 Mar 2010 18:13:01 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Elliot http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-8465 Elliot Mon, 16 Mar 2009 21:07:19 +0000 http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/?p=3233#comment-8465 I think they're at it again... http://echo.bluehornet.com/hostedemail/email.htm?h=6c38f56f8c93e8b8541cd3509ec510d5&CID=1477678666&ch=F97A37D6DB64C4E536C102FD16C6FF9D I think they’re at it again… http://echo.bluehornet.com/hostedemail/email.htm?h=6c38f56f8c93e8b8541cd3509ec510d5&CID=1477678666&ch=F97A37D6DB64C4E536C102FD16C6FF9D

]]> By: Jaime http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7102 Jaime Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:47:09 +0000 http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/?p=3233#comment-7102 Ben. It is the perfect trap. There are no smog related parts to refurbish your emissions system ( like selenoids, valves, air pumps , hoses, etc) and at the same time, at the state sponsored smog stations there are no blueprints, there is no advisory to the driver about the posible problems. It is a system that does not care about clean air at all. It's lack of guidance and failure to produce test results that show the failing components... ...( keeps emissions test results and reasons for failures in secret, creating doubts about said smog checks' integrity , because it is so secretive in its results that by reason of the aforegoing creates the opportunity for fraud on part of the state, interested in vehicles failing , wanton interest that , compounded to the secrecy in results and lack of explanation about the failure, the failing components and related issues opens the window of opportunity for a state to dictate, manipulate and manufacture test results in an effort to rid the state of vehicles it sees as revenue hindrances.)... ...it's remiss and wanton collusion with automakers in regards to the 10 year limit in manufacturers' responsability ( responsability related to manufacturing, selling and providing smog related parts and components ) and it's monopoly on the smog check stations creates a system that has no accountability, benefits automakers by allowing them to skip their responsability about providing the public with smog related parts and components for a reasonable period of time ( which 10 years is not a reasonable time ) and forces the residents of this state to buy vehicles that pay revenue to the state, eliminating vehicles that are perfectly sound and precious under the fallacy of non compliance with the smog emissions test, non compliance that is manufactured by bogus results, results which are unaccountable, and through the implemetation of a system that assures no parts will be available for emissions system repairs. The perfect trap, the perfect monopoly, the perfect scam. It is racketeering by definition, collusion and supression are vital ingredients of said policy. Jaime._____________________________________________________________ Ben.
It is the perfect trap. There are no smog related parts to refurbish your emissions system ( like selenoids, valves, air pumps , hoses, etc) and at the same time, at the state sponsored smog stations there are no blueprints, there is no advisory to the driver about the posible problems.
It is a system that does not care about clean air at all.
It’s lack of guidance and failure to produce test results that show the failing components…
…( keeps emissions test results and reasons for failures in secret, creating doubts about said smog checks’ integrity , because it is so secretive in its results that by reason of the aforegoing creates the opportunity for fraud on part of the state, interested in vehicles failing , wanton interest that , compounded to the secrecy in results and lack of explanation about the failure, the failing components and related issues opens the window of opportunity for a state to dictate, manipulate and manufacture test results in an effort to rid the state of vehicles it sees as revenue hindrances.)…
…it’s remiss and wanton collusion with automakers in regards to the 10 year limit in manufacturers’ responsability ( responsability related to manufacturing, selling and providing smog related parts and components ) and it’s monopoly on the smog check stations creates a system that has no accountability, benefits automakers by allowing them to skip their responsability about providing the public with smog related parts and components for a reasonable period of time ( which 10 years is not a reasonable time ) and forces the residents of this state to buy vehicles that pay revenue to the state, eliminating vehicles that are perfectly sound and precious under the fallacy of non compliance with the smog emissions test, non compliance that is manufactured by bogus results, results which are unaccountable, and through the implemetation of a system that assures no parts will be available for emissions system repairs.

The perfect trap, the perfect monopoly, the perfect scam. It is racketeering by definition, collusion and supression are vital ingredients of said policy.

Jaime._____________________________________________________________

]]> By: Ben http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7095 Ben Sat, 06 Sep 2008 16:36:13 +0000 http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/?p=3233#comment-7095 Hi Jamie, very good points. It's true that the automakers are operating in collusion with the lawmakers. I touched up on that in the post about buyback programs (<a href="http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/07/02/buy-back-programs-destroying-old-cars/" rel="nofollow">http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/07/02/buy-back-programs-destroying-old-cars/</a>) but perhaps did not say it as explicitly as I should have. It's a nice little racket they've got going there, and the lawmakers are, depending on your perspective, either too stupid or too influenced by the companies. Beautiful system, ain't it? Hi Jamie, very good points. It’s true that the automakers are operating in collusion with the lawmakers. I touched up on that in the post about buyback programs (http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/07/02/buy-back-programs-destroying-old-cars/) but perhaps did not say it as explicitly as I should have. It’s a nice little racket they’ve got going there, and the lawmakers are, depending on your perspective, either too stupid or too influenced by the companies. Beautiful system, ain’t it?

]]> By: Jaime http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7091 Jaime Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:56:53 +0000 http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/?p=3233#comment-7091 I forgot to mention in my previous intervention the case at issue, which is that auto manufacturers are required by the State of California to produce, manufacture and sell smog and pollution related parts and components for a period of 10, and "ONLY" "TEN YEARS" after a particular vehicle model reaches the show room. That means that if you bought a Datsun B210 back in 1976, your beloved Datsun B210 ran out of luck back in 1986, year after which your beloved Datsun B210 entered Death Row. I do not think we will be able to make any dents in this process by writting to fat cats up in Sacramento. This issue has to make it to the ballots. Any smog requirement has to be closely related to the automobile manufacturers production of components and parts related to smog/pollution devices. If the State wants cars to comply for 50 years, then, companies should provide the constituents with parts for those 50 years. If the State wants automobile manufacturers to produce smog/pollution related parts and gadgets for a period of 10 years, then, smog requirements should be applicable to 10 years after the vehicles year of production and marketing. You want clean air, it is possible, classic cars and emission requirements are compatible, provided the state does not exercise connivance, conspiracy, suppresion, collusion , in other words, racketeering with it's accesory to the crime, the automobile industry. I forgot to mention in my previous intervention the case at issue, which is that auto manufacturers are required by the State of California to produce, manufacture and sell smog and pollution related parts and components for a period of 10, and “ONLY” “TEN YEARS” after a particular vehicle model reaches the show room.

That means that if you bought a Datsun B210 back in 1976, your beloved Datsun B210 ran out of luck back in 1986, year after which your beloved Datsun B210 entered Death Row.

I do not think we will be able to make any dents in this process by writting to fat cats up in Sacramento. This issue has to make it to the ballots.

Any smog requirement has to be closely related to the automobile manufacturers production of components and parts related to smog/pollution devices.

If the State wants cars to comply for 50 years, then, companies should provide the constituents with parts for those 50 years.

If the State wants automobile manufacturers to produce smog/pollution related parts and gadgets for a period of 10 years, then, smog requirements should be applicable to 10 years after the vehicles year of production and marketing.

You want clean air, it is possible, classic cars and emission requirements are compatible, provided the state does not exercise connivance, conspiracy, suppresion, collusion , in other words, racketeering with it’s accesory to the crime, the automobile industry.

]]> By: Jaime http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7090 Jaime Sat, 06 Sep 2008 04:39:39 +0000 http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/?p=3233#comment-7090 You are forgetting the most important part in this California discusion, the case at issue which demostrates the intentions of said legislation. This legislation has as primary intent the riddance of older vehicles close to exemption status. Before these vehicles can be placed under a grant of exemption, every effort is done and implemented to make it impossible "if posible", or very difficult "if unsuccessful"... ( from a state revenue point of view , which has as goal denial of exemption status, and subsequent junking of collector's vehicles )... to preclude and throw off any successful attempts to smog a car in accordance to California vehicle code. A car that reaches exemption status is a car that creates loss of revenue to the state. That exempted vehicle will pay very low registration fees ( as opposed to a new or newer vehicle ) and will pay zero dollars in regard to fees and charges related to smog laws. Smog laws are seen as a revenue opportunity by the state, hence their determination in undermining all posible avenues of legaly reaching compliance status when talking about older vehicles close to and reaching the point of exemption. The issue at hand, and more specifically, the case at issue is the following: In order to make this older car riddance plan work, there has to be a way to ensure that the state's collusion and connivance plan can and will work. This plan is posible because the state of California only , and "ONLY" , requires auto manufacturers to manufacture, market and provide the loyal clientele that purchased it's vehicles, and the generations of american citizens and residents that continue using, enjoying and restoring these vehicles with the material, necessary and explicit smog/pollution parts, devices and gadgets that will assure the vehice's compliance under the CA vehicle code. By acting in collusion with automakers, the automakers get "off the hook" so to speak, having no committment nor obligation in supplying parts and components as defined beforehand. The state enjoys complete unopposed tirany on the subject, by requiring vehicles to perform in the smog pollution tests to the best of standards, that is to say , to brand new specifications. No car that is 10, 20, 30 or more years old can perform to factory standards while no parts and components are available, and in this action, exhibiting collusion, suppresion and conspiracy, the State of California, it's representatives, together with automobile manufacturers and lobby ists find themselves under criminal law, in what it is known as racketeering. If manufacturers can only produce and present to the public, (under the acceptance and endorsement of the State of California) smog/pollution related parts for a period of 10 years after a vehicle hits the show rooms, then the smog /pollution requirements should reflect such acceptance and endorsement exhibited by the State of California. Or else, cars should be sold within the State of California with a disclaimer, "Disposable Vehicle", discard after 10 years. Cars should be sold at a much cheaper price, or else, the state has to offer restitution to unsuspecting customers of these automobile manufacturers that act in such irresponsable manner "in concert" with the State of California. Jaime Aguirre. You are forgetting the most important part in this California discusion, the case at issue which demostrates the intentions of said legislation.
This legislation has as primary intent the riddance of older vehicles close to exemption status.
Before these vehicles can be placed under a grant of exemption, every effort is done and implemented to make it impossible “if posible”, or very difficult “if unsuccessful”… ( from a state revenue point of view , which has as goal denial of exemption status, and subsequent junking of collector’s vehicles )… to preclude and throw off any successful attempts to smog a car in accordance to California vehicle code.
A car that reaches exemption status is a car that creates loss of revenue to the state.
That exempted vehicle will pay very low registration fees ( as opposed to a new or newer vehicle ) and will pay zero dollars in regard to fees and charges related to smog laws.
Smog laws are seen as a revenue opportunity by the state, hence their determination in undermining all posible avenues of legaly reaching compliance status when talking about older vehicles close to and reaching the point of exemption.
The issue at hand, and more specifically, the case at issue is the following:
In order to make this older car riddance plan work, there has to be a way to ensure that the state’s collusion and connivance plan can and will work. This plan is posible because the state of California only , and “ONLY” , requires auto manufacturers to manufacture, market and provide the loyal clientele that purchased it’s vehicles, and the generations of american citizens and residents that continue using, enjoying and restoring these vehicles with the material, necessary and explicit smog/pollution parts, devices and gadgets that will assure the vehice’s compliance under the CA vehicle code.
By acting in collusion with automakers, the automakers get “off the hook” so to speak, having no committment nor obligation in supplying parts and components as defined beforehand.
The state enjoys complete unopposed tirany on the subject, by requiring vehicles to perform in the smog pollution tests to the best of standards, that is to say , to brand new specifications.
No car that is 10, 20, 30 or more years old can perform to factory standards while no parts and components are available, and in this action, exhibiting collusion, suppresion and conspiracy, the State of California, it’s representatives, together with automobile manufacturers and lobby ists find themselves under criminal law, in what it is known as racketeering.
If manufacturers can only produce and present to the public, (under the acceptance and endorsement of the State of California) smog/pollution related parts for a period of 10 years after a vehicle hits the show rooms, then the smog /pollution requirements should reflect such acceptance and endorsement exhibited by the State of California.
Or else, cars should be sold within the State of California with a disclaimer, “Disposable Vehicle”, discard after 10 years. Cars should be sold at a much cheaper price, or else, the state has to offer restitution to unsuspecting customers of these automobile manufacturers that act in such irresponsable manner “in concert” with the State of California.

Jaime Aguirre.

]]> By: Bob http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7067 Bob Mon, 01 Sep 2008 07:41:20 +0000 http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/?p=3233#comment-7067 haha, The Cars That Ate Paris is a terrible old flick. Watched it years ago. It's a lot of viewing time for little entertainment, but worth a watch. For clarification, the "Paris" in question is some tiny Aussie town in BFE, not Paris, France. haha, The Cars That Ate Paris is a terrible old flick. Watched it years ago. It’s a lot of viewing time for little entertainment, but worth a watch. For clarification, the “Paris” in question is some tiny Aussie town in BFE, not Paris, France.

]]> By: Ben http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/2008/08/27/nostalgics-under-attack-again-from-ca-bill/comment-page-1/#comment-7064 Ben Sun, 31 Aug 2008 04:29:40 +0000 http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/?p=3233#comment-7064 I haven't seen that movie, but Australian cars running amok in Paris? Are you sure this wasn't the lost fourth Mad Max movie? :) I haven’t seen that movie, but Australian cars running amok in Paris? Are you sure this wasn’t the lost fourth Mad Max movie? :)

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